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m4a1mustang 10-17-2010 09:48 PM

The problem is there isn't enough light, so the car is too dark. You want to brighten it up, otherwise it's just like, "hey, there's a right front fender" and the rest of the car fades into the background.

6spd 10-17-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 769808)
The problem is there isn't enough light, so the car is too dark. You want to brighten it up, otherwise it's just like, "hey, there's a right front fender" and the rest of the car fades into the background.

Thats exactly what I first said about them. Problem is the lighting I had to work with is hanging from the ceiling of my shop:icon17: Thats about all I had to work with. If I raise the exposure or brighten it, I get toooooo much processing noise. Im afraid these shots are about as good as their going to get until I can get some better lighting...

Cmike2780 10-17-2010 09:53 PM

My setup so far:
Nikon D90
Nikkor 18-55mm VR
Nikkor 55-200mm VR
Nikkor 50mm f/1.8
Nikon Speedlight SB-600
Nikon Speedlight SB-900
Nikon D40 (back-up)

I'm thinking of getting the Nikkor 16-85 VR as a next addition.

Cmike2780 10-17-2010 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 769817)
Thats exactly what I first said about them. Problem is the lighting I had to work with is hanging from the ceiling of my shop:icon17: Thats about all I had to work with. If I raise the exposure or brighten it, I get toooooo much processing noise. Im afraid these shots are about as good as their going to get until I can get some better lighting...

Try playing around with the white balance.

6spd 10-17-2010 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 769821)
Try playing around with the white balance.

i did.

Cmike2780 10-17-2010 10:52 PM

Did you try taking any pics with the headlights on. It could make it look more dramatic. A single light source will usually make the final composite look flat, so better lighting is needed like you said.

Which lens did you use and what settings? The image info is usually stamped on the image file in case you didn't know.

6spd 10-18-2010 07:05 AM

I used the stock lens at 18mm. I took the pic at different exposures, but any brighter and the bumper was too bright. And no, didnt take any with the headlights on. Should have though.

6spd 10-18-2010 05:49 PM

For those of you who have done shoots using models with the cars, what kind of tips can you give for proper composition, lighting, background, poses, etc? My fiancee and I are going to do a shoot together real soon, maybe this weekend, but I must say I am lacking in the model photography skills department.

NXTAZEE 10-18-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 771042)
For those of you who have done shoots using models with the cars, what kind of tips can you give for proper composition, lighting, background, poses, etc? My fiancee and I are going to do a shoot together real soon, maybe this weekend, but I must say I am lacking in the model photography skills department.

Have a look at this.

Motorcar Photography Tips... Condensed for Printout

Cmike2780 10-18-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 771042)
For those of you who have done shoots using models with the cars, what kind of tips can you give for proper composition, lighting, background, poses, etc? My fiancee and I are going to do a shoot together real soon, maybe this weekend, but I must say I am lacking in the model photography skills department.

Just remember to give her exact directions on how you want to compose the shot. It's one of those things that you really have to try a lot of different compositions to get a few good ones. The technical stuff is easier, just remember the car is the subject, not the girl. Unless of course that was your intent. Bounce the light as much as you can to get softer shadows. Night shots are cool, but a lot tougher when people are involved. Long exposure shots with someone standing perfectly still is a challenge if you want to give that a shot. Before setting out, it would be advisable to scope out possible locations before hand to get a feel for the type of emotion you want to convey. That way you don't waste your time if in the end you aren't satisfied with the results.

Xan 10-18-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 770079)
I used the stock lens at 18mm. I took the pic at different exposures, but any brighter and the bumper was too bright. And no, didnt take any with the headlights on. Should have though.

Next time take a couple of steps back and go for more zoom. Especially with a model, or she will not like the proportions.. :)

memorylasts 10-18-2010 07:52 PM

Hmm...like everyone is saying you probable should look into off camera lighting if you really want to get into night shots. Personally I like them better then day shots, but that is me, they also end up costing more interms of gear, but even during day shots you might need some extra light.

I would look at trying to do a setup of Alienbees.com the b800 lights, i havnt used these yet but have seen amazing photos come out with the use of them. You can get the triggers there also.

Currently I use
Canon 50D
Canon 28-105mm IS
Canon EF 50mm 1.4 Prime(~88mm on crop sensor a little deep for car photos imo)
2x 430EXII(lighting)
Pocket Wizards wireless triggering system (2x Flex, 1x Mini)

I also am planning on swaping some of my lighting set to get up on the Alienbees lights if I cant start producing what i want with the 430EXII's.

All in all lighting gets expensive, and hurts the mod fund. Also maybe if you pick up a lens with a lower f-stop value it might help... i usually shoot the 50mm at 1.8-2.2 unless the setting is pitch black then might bump it down. This also creates the DOF effect of having your subject on lock and the backgound blurred. Also, might want to try and keep your ISO down to 100 or close to it, usually helps if you dont already do that.

hope this helps.

6spd 10-18-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NXTAZEE (Post 771148)

Thanks, but that doesnt help with the model part. good info though.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 771199)
Just remember to give her exact directions on how you want to compose the shot. It's one of those things that you really have to try a lot of different compositions to get a few good ones. The technical stuff is easier, just remember the car is the subject, not the girl. Unless of course that was your intent. Bounce the light as much as you can to get softer shadows. Night shots are cool, but a lot tougher when people are involved. Long exposure shots with someone standing perfectly still is a challenge if you want to give that a shot. Before setting out, it would be advisable to scope out possible locations before hand to get a feel for the type of emotion you want to convey. That way you don't waste your time if in the end you aren't satisfied with the results.

i appreciate the good advise:tiphat:
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Originally Posted by Xan (Post 771214)
Next time take a couple of steps back and go for more zoom. Especially with a model, or she will not like the proportions.. :)

for those shots, i was up against a wall, literally, i couldnt move back at all. the idea was good, but the execution and space were not.

6spd 10-18-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by memorylasts (Post 771224)
Hmm...like everyone is saying you probable should look into off camera lighting if you really want to get into night shots. Personally I like them better then day shots, but that is me, they also end up costing more interms of gear, but even during day shots you might need some extra light.

I would look at trying to do a setup of Alienbees.com the b800 lights, i havnt used these yet but have seen amazing photos come out with the use of them. You can get the triggers there also.

Currently I use
Canon 50D
Canon 28-105mm IS
Canon EF 50mm 1.4 Prime(~88mm on crop sensor a little deep for car photos imo)
2x 430EXII(lighting)
Pocket Wizards wireless triggering system (2x Flex, 1x Mini)

I also am planning on swaping some of my lighting set to get up on the Alienbees lights if I cant start producing what i want with the 430EXII's.

All in all lighting gets expensive, and hurts the mod fund. Also maybe if you pick up a lens with a lower f-stop value it might help... i usually shoot the 50mm at 1.8-2.2 unless the setting is pitch black then might bump it down. This also creates the DOF effect of having your subject on lock and the backgound blurred. Also, might want to try and keep your ISO down to 100 or close to it, usually helps if you dont already do that.

hope this helps.

i would love to get some good external lighting, but i cant invest that large sum of money in one specific thing right now. i'll probably just get a better lens for now and deal with the lighting later. im just going to stick with the kind of shots im good at for now instead of getting in over my head.

memorylasts 10-18-2010 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 771239)
i would love to get some good external lighting, but i cant invest that large sum of money in one specific thing right now. i'll probably just get a better lens for now and deal with the lighting later. im just going to stick with the kind of shots im good at for now instead of getting in over my head.

Best way to do it! Take your time. Learn the gear then expand.

Cmike2780 10-20-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 771232)
i appreciate the good advise:tiphat:

No problem. I'm sure you can find a lot of photography info on the web, but I use to go to the Nikon website's Learn & Explore section to freshen up on the basics. Camera Technology and Photography Education Information from Nikon

The advanced stuff likt the video on color control was really helpful.
Control of Color - Part 1 from Nikon

HKYStormFront 10-20-2010 08:51 PM

shot the Z1 Motorsports shop cars today, the widebody Z32 and the 370z... look for a thread next week when i get home lol :woot:

6spd 10-21-2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 774661)
shot the Z1 Motorsports shop cars today, the widebody Z32 and the 370z... look for a thread next week when i get home lol :woot:

awesome!

Dark_Sub_Rosa 10-25-2010 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memorylasts (Post 771224)
Hmm...like everyone is saying you probable should look into off camera lighting if you really want to get into night shots. Personally I like them better then day shots, but that is me, they also end up costing more interms of gear, but even during day shots you might need some extra light.

I would look at trying to do a setup of Alienbees.com the b800 lights, i havnt used these yet but have seen amazing photos come out with the use of them. You can get the triggers there also.

Currently I use
Canon 50D
Canon 28-105mm IS
Canon EF 50mm 1.4 Prime(~88mm on crop sensor a little deep for car photos imo)
2x 430EXII(lighting)
Pocket Wizards wireless triggering system (2x Flex, 1x Mini)

I also am planning on swaping some of my lighting set to get up on the Alienbees lights if I cant start producing what i want with the 430EXII's.

All in all lighting gets expensive, and hurts the mod fund. Also maybe if you pick up a lens with a lower f-stop value it might help... i usually shoot the 50mm at 1.8-2.2 unless the setting is pitch black then might bump it down. This also creates the DOF effect of having your subject on lock and the backgound blurred. Also, might want to try and keep your ISO down to 100 or close to it, usually helps if you dont already do that.

hope this helps.


Alienbees FTW! They are here in Nashville. They make great products.

antman22 10-25-2010 10:51 PM

been lookin for a decent p&s for the times where lugging around my d90 isn't feasible...just picked up a canon s95, should get to my place in a few days.

everyone i know that has a canon p&s has been pretty happy with theirs', so im expecting good things. fast lens (f/2.0 @ 28mm), shoots in raw, good low light images, so im a happy camper. its a little more than what i wanted to pay for a p&s, but i figure this one should last me awhile and i won't feel have the feeling of regret when i take photos with my current p&s and wish that i had my dslr.

Cmike2780 10-25-2010 11:04 PM

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6spd,

Just to carry over the discussion from the other thread regarding ISO settings. Keeping it low creates a much sharper image. Here's an image I took last 4th of July just to give you an idea.

ISO 200, f/22 , 15 second exposure (no post processing):

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1288065562

Dark_Sub_Rosa 10-25-2010 11:13 PM

What tripod and head combo?

6spd 10-26-2010 01:22 PM

oooooo, very nice!

JACKPAC 10-26-2010 02:24 PM

I use a Canon XTi, and I think my favorite lens is also the cheapest I've purchased. The old nifty 50mm f1.4

HKYStormFront 10-26-2010 02:38 PM

you mean the f/1.8?

StLRedrider 10-29-2010 02:03 PM

[IMG]http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/s...erfloat006.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/s...hut-ins041.jpg[/IMG]

FuszNissan 10-29-2010 02:17 PM

My phone

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/...2ed7b86267.jpg

6spd 10-29-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by StLRedrider (Post 787814)

:yum: those shots are :icon23: man! that pond is a mile deep!

StLRedrider 10-29-2010 02:36 PM

thank you, i have tons more. finally figured out how to use photobucket to view/ download shots.

Rogue Z 10-29-2010 02:41 PM

yea i really like the first one...u using a polarizing filter?

StLRedrider 10-29-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue Z (Post 787890)
yea i really like the first one...u using a polarizing filter?

dude, i have no idea what your talking about:bowrofl::roflpuke2::bowrofl:
it's a canon powershot g9 point and shoot, i bought it for my landscaping business for before/after resaults. my father ws always into photography and used canon so i pretty much was sold on this one





[IMG]http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/s...drider/075.jpg[/IMG]

I think it takes unreal pics for the money i spent on it

Rogue Z 10-29-2010 03:38 PM

ohh a point and shoot? wow...i thought u were using a DSLR and a filter on it....

Cmike2780 10-29-2010 04:28 PM

Those are really good pictures for a point & shoot. I always carry my Coolpix with me for those times when my D-SLR stays home, because even an OK picture is better than none.

rednek01 10-29-2010 04:48 PM

Here are some pics of my stang (first time using a DSLR so be genle) I was just trying to learn how to use all the settings.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...nge/Front3.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...nge/Front1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...eadingHood.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...angonStang.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...tangEmblem.jpg

StLRedrider 10-29-2010 05:26 PM

nice, i love the color combo!!!!

dad 10-29-2010 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antman22 (Post 759303)
screw this debate, its about as bad as "manual vs auto".

Auto is for people who do not know the full functions of your equipment.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikon FM (Post 759557)
My favorite camera…..Nikon FM

Primary thought about quality shots: it's all about the composition.

I wanted the FM, but ended up with the FM2.

StLRedrider 10-29-2010 05:54 PM

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Dark_Sub_Rosa 10-29-2010 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 788124)
Auto is for people who do not know the full functions of your equipment.




I wanted the FM, but ended up with the FM2.


I shot an FM10 during college, Illford film, Illford paper, darkroom..... ahhh those were the days. :rofl2:

It makes digital so much easier to understand though when you do all your own stuff on film and learn old school.

Cmike2780 10-29-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rednek01 (Post 788062)
Here are some pics of my stang (first time using a DSLR so be genle) I was just trying to learn how to use all the settings.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...nge/Front3.jpg

I would take a step back or change the orientation on some of these. It's all about composing an image thats "grounded" when taking pictures or cars. Stick with using Aperture priority (adjust f-stops) and play around with the exposure and white balance. Keep the ISO around 200-600 and mount the camera on a tri-pod. I would leave the in-camera flash off for now & use other light sources that aren't as harsh & diffuse the light. Overall, those are a good start, keep at it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad (Post 788124)
Auto is for people who do not know the full functions of your equipment.

I use the Auto all the time as a jumping off point actually. You can use the metadata to adjust from there. There's nothing wrong with using Auto priority, in fact most SLR's are really good at meetering acurately and you can get really nice balanced images with the newer on-camera image processors. Auto is just limiting when you want to create particular mood or composition.

6spd 10-29-2010 08:58 PM

wow where is that?


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