I agree with your points MC, give it a year and prices will drop or you will be able to pickup a much cheaper used one.

No way would I pay the dealer premium just to be an early adopter but I would still want to pick one up

I feel the same way, great little car but for that kind of money just not enough of... anything. I lol'd at the "good car for free" comment, I say if they priced it closer to a base civic then yea., even then a civic si will most likely mop the floor with you.

this...

they are pretty sharp in person tho

I hope they sell well, but I also hope they come down in price.

These BR-Z's are going to be awesome used sports cars as they will plumet in value when the novelty wears off. They are being propped up in introduction due to pent up demand. Similar to Porsche Boxsters that were selling for $50K new when they first came out and a few years down the road they were $15K

Once people realize they bought a car with an average 4 cylinder commuter motor they will realize the car is about as valuable as an old econo car. They are selling high enough numbers with all the hype that there will be plenty out there so supply verses demand will cream resale values. And Demographic buying these cars will hurt resales even more! Think Mitsubishi Eclipse!

^^ You can say that about any car once it hits the used market. Some lose their value more quickly than others, but it matters little if you are getting the car new and planning to thrash it till it's worthless anyway.

I see the retail prices of new FRS and BRZs next year being on par with other niche vehicles --people are gonna pay right around invoice or a little more for them. Right now people are willing to pay MSRP, but next year they'll be many more of them around and the dealers will be selling them for invoice.

At that point everyone wins right? The dealers make a little less profit, but they have more to sell. And people get a nice little sports coupe for just a little more than a well spec'd Camry.

That would be true if we were talking about a differnt demographic who traditionally hold onto practical cars longer. You will see yonger demographic buying these and selling them a couple years down the road.

WInners will be people like me who wait for somone to unload one with low miles at 60% off what they paid in 2 years. No I see these cars as having very high depreciation. They arent special enough to hold value and the higher numbers will mean there will be poorly cared for cars that pull others down with them. One thing Porsches had going in intial phases were parts were expensive so thrashed Boxsters still commanded decent price for parts. this car uses pretty plain Jane components shared with Subi, Toyota and Scion. Nope this car will a$s rape new buyers who pay MSRP now.

Yeah judging a cars worth based on its test track #'s / HP doesn't make much sense unless you buy daily drivers to race them for a living.

If the BRZ / FR-S are as good as the vast majority have reported there's no good reason to think 27-29k would somehow make them over priced.

I personally think it makes a lot more sense to base a cars worth on how it feels from behind the wheel vs. the #'s it happens to produce.

Plenty of cars produce far better #'s than the MX-5 for instance but few are nearly as fun to drive. This is probably going to be the case with the BRZ / FR-S as well.

Bottom line is that to conclude that the BRZ / FR-S are somehow too little car for the money isn't even coherent.

Before I were to decide one way or another I would have to personally drive the car myself. I'm not talking just around the block and back but really drive it.

I would never check off a car and or deem it "too expensive" simply because it's test track #'s weren't as good as some other's because test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the surface when it comes to evaluating how good a sports car is.

Oh as far as re sale value the BRZ / FR-S are expected to hold they value very well so that's another plus. I'm probably going to get a new MX-5 by around August though because nothing beats a convertible on a nice sunny day. That and text book old school RWD dynamics.




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Look, Toyota salesman is back ;)

Oh yeah someone correctly points out how dumb it is to judge the car based on test track #'s so must be "Toyota salesman"!


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You are right. That term is wrong. "Toyota Marketing Manager" or "Toyota Marketer" is probably a better term. Amirite?

All people who buy used cars should laugh at the folks who break them in for them. You'd be raped if you bought a Corvette in 2006 and tried to sell it now

2006 base Corvette: retail in 2006 43,700. avg Kelly BB value now 27k
2006 Z06: retail in 2006 64K. avg Kelly BB value now 36K


My point is that resale value for almost all cars suck after they are a few years old. But at least for sports cars, they can bottom out as someone almost always wants them -- unlike a Camry or a Corolla which just go down and down until they hit the junkyard

Given that you are buying a new car, resale value down the road is just one of many things to consider and depreciation is one of the prices you pay for the piece of mind you get with a new car, or the satisfaction of the desire to "have it now"

Oh, and I wouldn't quite call the people who wait two years just to save a few bucks by buying it used "winners" :stirthepot:

so you haven't even test driven one yet? sounds like your mind is already made up. :icon14:

It's ok because all magazines rave about it so no need to test drive. :roflpuke2:

I spotted my first black one last night after seeing 3 white ones over the last week, I was really impressed!