Dang, I still haven't seen a BRZ or an FR-S yet. :( I see plenty of Z's though, base, sport, Nismo.

Yeah judging a cars worth higher because you can reach its limits earlier/easier doesn't make much sense because that is just illogical and dangerous to those around you on the road. We would appreciate it if you just drove like a sane person.

If the BRZ / FR-S are as over hyped as the vast majority have reports seem to exemplify there is a very good reason to think 27-29k would make them over priced.

I personally think it makes a lot more sense to understand that people have different opinions from you and you should understand that there is nothing wrong with this.

Plenty of cars produce far better #'s than the BRZ / FR-S for instance and many are more fun to drive as well. This is probably going to be the case with the Mustang 5.0 as well.[/quote]

Bottom line is that to conclude that the BRZ / FR-S are somehow WAYYYYYYYY too little car for the money is perfectly coherent.

Before I were to decide one way or another I would have to personally drive the car myself. I'm not talking just around the block and back but ON THE TRACK WHERE I LIVE AND DIE BY THE FUEL GAUAGE!!!!!

I would never check off a car and or deem it "too expensive" simply because it's test track #'s weren't as good as some other's because test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the surface when it comes to evaluating how good a sports car is. I would pick it up in secondary market instead.

Oh as far as re sale value the BRZ / FR-S are expected to hold they value very well because projetions are always 100% correct, amirite!!!! I'm probably going to get a new MX-5 by around August though because nothing beats those BAMF doors. That and text book old school RWD dynamics. I know I have been going on and on about this BRZ / FR-S implying that I might get one when it goes on sale this summer, but nope, MX-5 for me!!!

Supply and demand, peeps!

We can't predict it yet because of supply and demand. We do not know how many people want to buy it brand new and how many willing to buy it used.

For example, 2004-2005, not a lot of "new" WRX STI owners, but a lot of people still wanting them used. Considering they're $18,000 range, they hold up their value well. Now, the RSX Type S. A lot more "new" owner purchasing them, but lesser used owner wanting them, so you see them for around $7-14k (depending on year). That's not too shabby. Then the 7th gen Celica. Crap ton of purchasers, but re-sells are not high at all. You could see them used around $7k max for the 6-speed model.

lol Spikuh

Here's a quick snapshot between stock 370z and stock FRS.

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/r...370z/frs-3.jpg
http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/r...370z/frs-2.jpg
http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/r...370z/frs-1.jpg

wow, I'm surprised at how big the FRS looks.

I kinda like it from the front. Not so much from the other angles.

I'm with you, best angle is from the front. Also regarding size i think it's that picture, someone on here posted another picture next to an orange FR-S and it looked much smaller.

When I took the pictures with the owner, the he and I were shocked how "larger" the FR-S looks and him being how "smaller" the 370z looks.

The owner stated that a lot of the Scion dealerships are marking them up by easy $2000 by putting "sport" suspension, making them "taller" when I saw his FR-S. This explains why the first FR-S I saw seemed smaller but this "pure stock" one is taller. I'm also on stock base suspension btw. When you put suspension on the Z, it looks still big. But when you put suspension on the FR-S to drop barely 1 inch, it looks smaller and low (but not really that much to the 370z). However, the Z is a big "wide-porker."

Interior space is worst than the Z for a taller person, but roomier overall. Trunk space makes the Z put to complete shame.

Anyways, specs.

370Z
Weight: 3245
Height: 51.8
Length: 167.2
Track Front: 61.0
Track Rear: 62.8
Width: 72.6
Wheelbase: 100.4

FRS
Weight: 2758
Height: 50.6
Length: 166.7
Track Front: 59.8
Track Rear: 60.6
Width: 69.9
Wheelbase: 101.2

However only morons were buying 2006 corvettes at MSRP. Most could be had for thousands below Invoice as gas prices were skyrocketing! I was looking at new 2008 Vettes back in 2008 for $38k not $45k Just try going under invoice with buzzy little BRZ right now.

Well history has pretty much proven cars with some level of pent up demand are not good investments. People pay at or over MSRP and frankly this car is underwhelming when you take off the delusional colored glasses. Lol! The hype will wear off when pent up demand is met. I predict that to be about two years. That's hardly a wait at all and it's going to mean thousands in savings. Heck it will pay for a blower kit and some real wheels and tires!

Wow, that car is tiny! Why even have backseats, I don't even think midgets can fit back there.

Yeah it's a small man ps or woman's car. No over 6 foot dudes and their freinds would be happy.

I feel like the front of it would look even better had they made that little raise with the Scion emblem a bit more pronouced and carry it back through the hood. Would have added just a bit more agression imo.

I think its the angle of the shots that make the cars look so comparable in size, although it does seem to be taller than I expected.

lol. No mass produced car produced in this century is an "investment" -- not unless you are willing to hold onto it for years and years.

I look at it this way. I want a new DD. I'm sick of 4 doors and FWD. I don't need another high-powered car like my Z -- which is my "weekend" car that I plan to keep for a while. What are my choices in the under 30K range.

To put it another way -- what are my choices in a brand new small RWD coupe under 30K

1. Mustang -- too big and too heavy
2. Genesis -- don't like the styling and it's too heavy
3. MX-5 -- I'd buy one if I didn't already have a convertible
4. ??

I don't buy used cars so a used Rx-8 is out -- though I would have bought one if they could stand he Texas heat and got a bit better mileage.

Not much else out there is there ...

Yes, if I didn't have my Z I wouldn't pick the BRZ over the Z, but given I already have a Z, what choices do I have in the class of car I want?

I like the look of the BRZ -- it's got the features I want -- leather, Nav, etc.
It's in my price range. If when mine comes in and I like how it drives and the dealer doesn't try and ream me, I'll buy it. I really couldn't give a crap if people think it's overpriced.

The same can be said for many vehicles. G37 and GTR come to mind pretty quickly.

back seat was added to this car as a selling point/marketing strategy. Enthusiasts will never use it, family people will not buy this car as a family car.

Even in a larger coupe such as the camaro/mustang when i get in the drivers seat, the seat must pretty much touch the back seat for me to be comfortable.