I find this very hard to believe.

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the 4.6 was absolute trash.
370 would take it everytime.
The mustang became a car to consider only after 2010. Ever since thn they been trying harder and harder and pissing off their year old customers every year since thn.

That 4.6 was more competitive to a 350 DE, later on the HR. Not a chance against a 370 though.

I agree with you 100%. . They're in different classes. We shouldn't be comparing the two. but to say "idiots buy the mustang to go fast in a straight line" is the dumbest **** ever.

Also. Since when did all the 2012+ Z's come with an oil cooler? Mine *had one and i didn’t know it*. Nissan made the kit available as an option but that was all I saw.

WE ALL BOUGHT THE Z because we liked it. But there is a lot of people in this thread bashing something they know nothing about. I'm sure a few of you have driven one. I Bet the rest of you haven't even sat down in one b

Lol yes I know I was just busting balls. That's why I put LOL. we can sit and go back and forth all day about it. My opinion is that if you just want a fast car. Buy te mustang. If you want something for a good drive and looks sexy the Z. That's just my opinion.

Yall need to chill a bit hahaha the 4.6 and old suspension set up was a like a boat. I had to troll a little. The DE 350 still put down better times I think haha

This is false. In 2010 they released what everyone thought would be the new thing. After finishing the 5.0 coyote, they dropped the bomb in 2011. Yes the 2010 customers got shafted. Just like when Nissan went from DE to HR in one year. That's part of buying a car. You always take that risk. The mustang didn't change at all from 2011 to 2014. The new 5.0 isn't that much better performance wise either. They just introduced the IRS along with a Ecoboost edition, and new interior. Yes I know it's still a jump in upgrades

Remember the 2008 Wrx that made 225hp and then the 2009 came with the vf52 turbo and made 265. All car companies do this. It's how they make money haha. Nissan did a good job with the 370. It was fast enough in a straight line. It handles amazing. And came pretty track ready with the exception of an oil cooler. So they held their ground and didn't need to change anything. Few bugs here and there but that's about it. But now the 2015 Z owners are going to be upset when the 2016 releases if they do what they said they would.

Well, since 2012 :happydance:

If you had a 2012 yours had one.

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Exactly what I was going to post. It's an oil to water cooler - incidentally, just like what the Mustang GT and Boss 302 have. :tup:

lolol nice. the Nismo or every model of the 370z?

all models

good to know. still ran hot as ****. a few times in the summer it got so hot that i lost throttle response and i could feel a big loss in power. was going to go stillen since my buddy with a auto 370z dynos with my and stayed around 180 while I was over 220 after a few 5th gear pulls. so can you run an aftermarket oil cooler as well if you have the factory one? I’m guessing you could run a feed and return and just have two oil coolers? #oilcoolersonoilcoolers

well... this is awkward lol

let me ask this question because I’m interested to see what you guys would pick… if the 370z did not exist, what would you buy? (something you can afford, no unlimited money cheat codes here)

I bought mine when they first came out so it would have been one of the other cross shop considerations. BMW M3, A5, G37, or 335ic

Whatever I bought, I would probably know if it had an oil cooler or not.



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The Nissan stock oil cooler is a piece of garbage. Yet another Nissan bandaid - just like using GT-R fluid to fix failing CSC. Add an aftermarket oil cooler for real cooling.

Another reason why I wouldnt buy a Stang.

It's not a piece of garbage or a band-aid, it's a standard oil-to-water oil heater/cooler as used on passenger vehicles. That's what the Z is... A passenger vehicle. It's not a race car.

If you want to go to the track, track prep your car. For damned near any car (esp. one that makes power) that means adding additional cooling, like an oil to air cooler.

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I'm not talking about it running hot on the track. I'm talking about cruise control at 85ish mph on the highway and seeing 250F+ temps on the oil temp gauge. The 2012 I saw this happen in was 100% stock and wasn't running noticeably cooler than my 2011 with no stock cooler. Both were pegged between 250-255F on the gauge. The stock cooler is a worthless piece of garbage in my experience :twocents:

How hot was it outside when that happened? I drove to Atlanta last year (150 miles) in 95+ degree heat last year and had nowhere close to 250F temps. Hell, I don't think it even went above 220F.

August in Texas. Definitely over 100F. Speed is a big factor as well. We were on a toll road with 85 mph speed limit. At 70 mph, I've never had an issue with temps - typically right around 225F or so. But I've found that extra 15-20 mph increases oil temps significantly during the Texas summer weather.

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:gtfo2: lolol hey how was i suppose to know i thought it only applied to the nismo because my oil temps were still high as **** haha

Well excuuuuuuuuuse me, Mr. 85 mph on the highway in Texas heat. :bowrofl:

I've owned with and without, and the oil cooler made a noticeable difference. Let's just say under the same conditions where my 2011 would run 240 - 250 degrees I haven't seen the oil-cooler-equipped cars go above 220. :twocents:

What i could afford then and now are two different aspects. 4 years ago...
If icouldn't get a Z, it would've been the 1LE camaro or a G37ipl used cuz i won't pay $51k for one. I don't see the value at that price so, something with less than 10,000 miles for $41,000 to 43k

You have a lot more data that I do then :tiphat:

As long as I'm not on the gas, I have no problems with temps. Easier said than done though :icon17: :driving:

Well I recall all the controversy about the oil coolers when I had my 2011 and people were having heat problems. My car would get up to 250 if I pushed it pretty hard and it was 90 - 100 degrees out. For example, driving for extended periods in 5th gear, with a heavy foot, in the 75 - 80 mph range. But still, I never got above 240 - 250 degrees. I remember thinking people must be driving like ******* maniacs to go into limp mode or even get above 250 degrees. Even said so many times to people, but they insisted they really weren't pushing the car that hard.

With the cooler, I've kept an eye on it as well. Same driving, same "Indiana in July" weather (we had about 12 days in a row >100 degrees last year, not exactly Texas, but not exactly refreshingly cool) and I honestly can't remember the last time I saw my oil temp above 220 degrees.

So... I wonder if certain cars run warmer, and even with the oil cooler, certain cars still run warmer? Possibly yours runs fairly cool for a cooler-less car, and the 2012 you were with runs on the hot side? I really don't know, but there does seem to be a very different set of experiences depending on who you ask, and it's not because I'm putting around at 56 mph. :driving: :icon17:

I have seen my oil temps climb to 220 is at the drag strip with about 4 passes. Mostly in the evening when temps start to drop and humidity rises. I shut my z down for about 30 minutes before I attempt to run any more passes. Performance drops significantly after 220 tho

I certainly don't think I have a cooler running Z from what I have seen. In hot Texas weather, its at 220F minimum pretty much no matter what speed. And as soon as I get on it a bit, that cranks up 20F or more very easily. If I'm cruising at highway speeds (at 220F already) and come to a stop light, I can hit 250F just coming off the line if I get on it hard - now it will cool down reasonably quick at speed once I get off the gas. But if you're in semi-hot weather and over 4500 RPMs or so, oil temps will increase continuously regardless of your speed. In my experience, that is. Your example of 5th gear at 80 mph is only like 3500 RPMs or so.

I just ran FM 2222 yesterday around 85F. In 3rd gear most of the time between 4K-6K RPMs I hit 260F temp after just a mile or so. I shifted into 4th for the last few curves just to back it off a bit. But I know the capability of the car. I push it hard for brief periods at a time, then back off. It just can't handle repeated driving at higher RPMs, especially in hotter temps. My feeling about the stock cooler is that it doesn't provide significantly more cooling during hard driving and its not really needed for DD or cruising. I bet I could hit limp mode (even with the stock cooler) if I cruised in 2nd gear long enough at 40-50 mph.

And let's be clear here; I don't have any problems with temps when I'm not driving hard or at high RPMs. Very few roads in the country would give the Z problems with temps while just cruising - it's only ever been a problem for me because I just happen to live near the highest speed limit in the country in a hot climate. And one particular time, I was cruising with a 2012 with stock cooler that was running just as hot, leading me to believe the stock cooler wasn't helping much.

I also have R2C intakes with metal tubes, so my IATs easily get high enough for the ECU to start reducing power. I'm sure this contributes to higher temps throughout the engine bay. Another reason I'm fairly certain my Z is not one running on the cooler side.

What reason could you have for staying above 4500 RPM for an extended amount of time on the street?

If you're in 3rd doing between 60 - 85 with the gas to the floor for several minutes, sorry, but you're driving on the street like you'd be driving on the track. Not shaking my finger at you, but I do think you're asking a lot of a stock car's cooling to put up with that in Texas summer heat.

In traffic? Zero.

Spirited driving on empty curvy roads? Plenty. That's the powerband :driving:

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Yeah I do plenty of 3rd gear pulls myself. That's how I got my temp above 220. :driving:

I guess your expectations are higher than mine as far as the stock car, I wouldn't expect my brakes to stand up to repeated 130 - 0 stops or the stock cooling to support running wide open and near redline for extended periods.

I guess what I'm saying is, don't roll your eyes at me when I talk about only needing an oil cooler "on the track" when you're treating your lovely Texas back-roads like they are one. ;)

lol at 85 in 3rd at 6K RPMs... I don't know about yours, but my 3rd gear redlines at 90 mph.

Speed limit is 55 mph. So I'm cruising around 60-65 through the curves that everyone else slows down on (when there is actually traffic on the road). Also, my gas pedal is not anywhere near close to the floor. I am just at higher RPMs in a lower gear so I can exit the turns quicker because power band. I don't floor it between the curves.

I think I have very reasonable expectations. I don't expect my car to last more than a few miles when I drive it that hard. I wasn't surprised that I hit 260F yesterday; it was completely expected, and I backed off when needed. I thought I was pretty clear, that I didn't think an extra cooler was necessary for DD or cruising :tiphat:

I've had my Z on the track once. It did better than I expected, frankly. But I knew it couldn't handle it, so I didn't push it. I pulled off early to let her cool down rather than pushing it to limp mode - I made it through 2x 3-lap sessions. Aggressive street driving for me is typically a few minutes or even just a few pulls on certain routes. Nothing sustained. Once it is no longer my DD, I will get an oil cooler and get it on the track for some real :driving:

I said 85 in 3rd because it's approximately redline in 3rd. :tup:

I travel the toll every day 85 to 95 and maybe see 220 on the hottest day. Anything faster than that mine will start creeping up.

Maybe the manuals run hotter since they are inferior?

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EXACTLY. Spirited driving equals a very high oil temp, which makes the car feel very sluggish. What do you expect with that little *** hole in the bumper. Open that beast up!!!! SAWZALL FIXES ALL

Wow, came way to late to the party. You guy's are a trip.. :rofl2:

Sawzall?? Pics please.