Nissan Corp. bullying American employees.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-30-2014, 09:18 AM

UAW calls on US State Department to help with Nissan plant - Autoblog

Someone needs to remind Nissan this is a free country.

Chuck33079 · 04-30-2014, 09:22 AM

Eh, it's the UAW. Screw the UAW.

daisuke149 · 04-30-2014, 09:24 AM

yeah, i doubt anything the UAW is saying is true other than the fact that they cant get a foodhold in there.

RonRizz · 04-30-2014, 09:53 AM

As a longtime union member (not UAW, by the way), I think the UAW may not be the best representative of union labor in our country. In a time where "right to work" hits home with me here in Pa., I am not only a passionate union member, I'm also a firm believer that people have the right to chose how to support themselves and their families, Union or Open shop. If the time came when my brotherhood were to employ tactics that were used in the past by many others, I would walk away in a heartbeat.
There are other ways to achieve your goals without sacrificing your dignity, and sense of morality. Just my .02

Chuck33079 · 04-30-2014, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonRizz

As a longtime union member (not UAW, by the way), I think the UAW may not be the best representative of union labor in our country. In a time where "right to work" hits home with me here in Pa., I am not only a passionate union member, I'm also a firm believer that people have the right to chose how to support themselves and their families, Union or Open shop. If the time came when my brotherhood were to employ tactics that were used in the past by many others, I would walk away in a heartbeat.
There are other ways to achieve your goals without sacrificing your dignity, and sense of morality. Just my .02

I'm not completely anti-union. I'm 100% anti-UAW. They make people hate unions because they're shady as ****.

Z_ealot · 04-30-2014, 12:53 PM

As far as I've heard nissan pays their employees pretty decently, as for the article I read it on Yahoo a couple days ago and came to the conclusion that the uaw is throwing a temper tantrum since they couldn't get their foot in the door after being voted out of the vw plant a couple months ago and are desperate for money and since nissan is the next major auto maker that doesn't support unions it made them a pretty good scapegoat for the uaw

Chuck33079 · 04-30-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

As far as I've heard nissan pays their employees pretty decently, as for the article I read it on Yahoo a couple days ago and came to the conclusion that the uaw is throwing a temper tantrum since they couldn't get their foot in the door after being voted out of the vw plant a couple months ago and are desperate for money

Yep.

kenchan · 04-30-2014, 02:14 PM

i read toyota plants are doing exceptionally well without uaw.

no reason why nissan should have them either.

Jordo! · 04-30-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I'm not completely anti-union. I'm 100% anti-UAW. They make people hate unions because they're shady as ****.

I dunno, man... the UAW doesn't have any skeletons in its collective closet worse than any auto manufacturer -- at worst, they're the lesser of the evils, and they certainly don't have the kind of wealth and influence that car company CEO's have.

I'm 100% for unionization and collective bargaining for employees, no matter what the shirt collar is. A lone worker has absolutely no leverage on his or her own.

Corporations are organizations and they are organized to ensure that profits go to the tippy-top, but historically very rarely allow any to even lightly trickle down without some collective effort from those who actually do the work.

Un-organized workers have fewer (or no) resources at their disposal to ensure a fair share of the profits from their work... lack of worker organization in the US has steadily eroded salaries for the past 30+ years, which is why CEO pay is stratospheric and everyone else's wages are stagnant.

I find it hard to believe that Nissan (or any large corporation) better represent the "good guys" here.

So, while your point is well taken -- it's pretty hard for me to not side with the UAW. There may be some genuine villainy within them, but it is historically always lesser in scope and magnitude than the companies they wrangle with.

BTW: Japan has strong unionization, but if a Japanese auto company opens a plant here, they simply don't support it. So, UAW does have a legitimate dog in this fight.

Chuck33079 · 04-30-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

I dunno, man... the UAW doesn't have any skeletons in its collective closet worse than any auto manufacturer -- at worst, they're the lesser of the evils, and they certainly don't have the kind of wealth and influence that car company CEO's have.

I'm 100% for unionization and collective bargaining for employees, no matter what the shirt collar is. A lone worker has absolutely no leverage on his or her own.

Corporations are organizations and they are organized to ensure that profits go to the tippy-top, but historically very rarely allow any to even lightly trickle down without some collective effort from those who actually do the work.

Un-organized workers have fewer (or no) resources at their disposal to ensure a fair share of the profits from their work... lack of worker organization in the US has steadily eroded salaries for the past 30+ years, which is why CEO pay is stratospheric and everyone else's wages are stagnant.

I find it hard to believe that Nissan (or any large corporation) better represent the "good guys" here.

So, while your point is well taken -- it's pretty hard for me at least to not side with the UAW. There may be some genuine villainy within them, but it is historically always lesser in scope and magnitude than the companies they wrangle with.

I couldn't disagree with you more on the specific points you made about the UAW, so I'll leave it at that.

ZBro16 · 05-02-2014, 10:29 AM

Title of the thread is misleading. Nissan has been accused, but there is no evidence and the investigation is ongoing.

The UAW has been trying to unionize Nissan since Nissan showed up in the states. Methinks that the UAW butthurt is strong, especially concerning how things ended up at the VW plant recently. Nothing to see here, really.

falconfixer · 05-02-2014, 12:02 PM

eh, unions have their place in the workforce...mainly 60 years ago.

Tazicon · 05-02-2014, 12:09 PM

I am ANTI UNION. I won't hide it, their time has come and gone. They hurt their workers far more then help them.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-02-2014, 03:04 PM

I agree with all of you, as long as we're not talking about New York. Unions are the only reason why people survive in New York city. In the La La Land of the Midwest where everything is happy and blue.unions most likely do not have a place.

Jordo! · 05-02-2014, 03:34 PM

Notwithstanding recent examples of roll-over of unions to CEO's and corporations (e.g., the UAW during the autobailouts), surrendering hard fought pensions, job security, safe work conditions, a manageable work schedule, etc etc,, the 30+ years of stagnant wages, the vast outpacing of the middle class by many other industrialized nations, and the continued stratospheric rise of CEO salaries suggests we need organized workers more than ever.

As union membership and presence increased, wages went up, even for non-union shops. As union membership and presence has decreased, wages have dropped or stagnated. They were needed 60 years ago to even things out for the workers and are needed today just as much.

You can criticize unions for failing to live up to their expectations here and there, but I don't understand how anyone who is aware of history and current events can write them off as useless or even harmful.

Ethics aside, if you own a billion dollar corporation and don't like the idea of your workers having some say in their pay, security and safety -- fine. If not, you are rooting for the wrong team...

This isn't hippy bullcrap -- this is how it is.

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daisuke149 My *** is famous! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 4,849 Drives: 2013 Boss 302 PW Rep Power: 31	yeah, i doubt anything the UAW is saying is true other than the fact that they cant get a foodhold in there. Chuck33079 likes this.

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RonRizz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pine grove, Pa Posts: 2,135 Drives: 2 feet, 3 pedals Rep Power: 6774	As a longtime union member (not UAW, by the way), I think the UAW may not be the best representative of union labor in our country. In a time where "right to work" hits home with me here in Pa., I am not only a passionate union member, I'm also a firm believer that people have the right to chose how to support themselves and their families, Union or Open shop. If the time came when my brotherhood were to employ tactics that were used in the past by many others, I would walk away in a heartbeat. There are other ways to achieve your goals without sacrificing your dignity, and sense of morality. Just my .02 UNKNOWN_370, daisuke149, Jordo! and 1 others like this. __________________ P99rs Head Unit--- Amps- 2 Pioneer Prs800d --- Zapco ST1000MX---Zapco ST-4XSQ---- SI BM mk5 Subs---SI TM65v2 Midbass--- SI M3 mids--- SI M25 xbl2 tweeters ----- 2016 MECA street class 3rd place at world finals

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Z_ealot A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,045 Drives: 09 370Z Touring/Sprt Rep Power: 10090	As far as I've heard nissan pays their employees pretty decently, as for the article I read it on Yahoo a couple days ago and came to the conclusion that the uaw is throwing a temper tantrum since they couldn't get their foot in the door after being voted out of the vw plant a couple months ago and are desperate for money and since nissan is the next major auto maker that doesn't support unions it made them a pretty good scapegoat for the uaw Trips, Chuck33079 and jlo370z like this. Last edited by Z_ealot; 04-30-2014 at 12:55 PM.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	i read toyota plants are doing exceptionally well without uaw. no reason why nissan should have them either. jlo370z and blackcherry20 like this.

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ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 13	Title of the thread is misleading. Nissan has been accused, but there is no evidence and the investigation is ongoing. The UAW has been trying to unionize Nissan since Nissan showed up in the states. Methinks that the UAW butthurt is strong, especially concerning how things ended up at the VW plant recently. Nothing to see here, really. Trips and Chuck33079 like this.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	I agree with all of you, as long as we're not talking about New York. Unions are the only reason why people survive in New York city. In the La La Land of the Midwest where everything is happy and blue.unions most likely do not have a place. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Notwithstanding recent examples of roll-over of unions to CEO's and corporations (e.g., the UAW during the autobailouts), surrendering hard fought pensions, job security, safe work conditions, a manageable work schedule, etc etc,, the 30+ years of stagnant wages, the vast outpacing of the middle class by many other industrialized nations, and the continued stratospheric rise of CEO salaries suggests we need organized workers more than ever. As union membership and presence increased, wages went up, even for non-union shops. As union membership and presence has decreased, wages have dropped or stagnated. They were needed 60 years ago to even things out for the workers and are needed today just as much. You can criticize unions for failing to live up to their expectations here and there, but I don't understand how anyone who is aware of history and current events can write them off as useless or even harmful. Ethics aside, if you own a billion dollar corporation and don't like the idea of your workers having some say in their pay, security and safety -- fine. If not, you are rooting for the wrong team... This isn't hippy bullcrap -- this is how it is. UNKNOWN_370 and RonRizz like this. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 05-02-2014 at 03:38 PM.

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