2014 Jaguar F-Type - really?

Driftomodachi · 07-20-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bvl

Swing and a miss

The price points are so vastly different that I am not faulting Nissan: they brought a very specific car to market segment devoid of competition, though not a large market segment.

The F and the P cars are priced similarly (though I would expect the Jag to come out 10-15% less expensive, in the ball park)

- b

I meant performance wise

shadoquad · 07-20-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

To you. This isn't a z competitor. It's for someone looking at 911s.

Sure it's a Z competitor. Just because someone has 90k to drop on a car, that doesn't mean they want to spend it all. If the Z is close enough in performance or interior quality and half the price, a consumer may opt for it. I'm not saying the Z is as nice or even as fast as the top level jag, but people might cross shop the two

Chuck33079 · 07-20-2013, 11:58 AM

I wouldn't think a Nissan would even be on the radar of someone who's seriously considering a Jag or Porsche. The dealerships aren't nice enough to draw that demographic in unless they're an enthusiast.

shadoquad · 07-20-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I wouldn't think a Nissan would even be on the radar of someone who's seriously considering a Jag or Porsche. The dealerships aren't nice enough to draw that demographic in unless they're an enthusiast.

I know someone who cross shopped a zl1 and an frs. Again, just because you can spend a ton, doesn't mean you have to. His decision, in the end, was motivated by what else he could do with the rest of the money. And not every rich guy needs a prestige vehicle.

Chuck33079 · 07-20-2013, 12:18 PM

People like that are out there, they're just in the minority of high end car buyers. I bought a Z over other cars that cost a lot more, so I understand. But enthusiasts are not the target market for high end prestige vehicles. Especially ones like the Jag where the performance isn't quite in line with the rest of the vehicles it competes with.

sunkist350z · 07-20-2013, 12:53 PM

The jag f-type is a beautiful design...I would take this over a 911 if only they offered a manual it's a fresh and updated design from the legendary e-type...jaguar are making the best looking automobiles today.

Japanjay · 07-20-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Um... I don't even know what this means...

332HP... Base 33K?
Really Nissan?

I'll stick with my 30k base 5.0 (that has 416HP)

240HP... Base 93k? (S350 BluTec)
Really Mercedes?

I'll stick with my 33k base 370Z

The Jag and the 370 aren't even CLOSE to the same league... They shouldn't be compared

My good friend just picked up a new 5.0. New flowmaster exhaust system plus a tune put him at 382whp. Not that impressive IMO for a 5L V8. Plus their wheels, calipers, how the dash meets the doors, and the seats looks like fiddo's *** hole.

bvl · 07-21-2013, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

I meant performance wise

Right...and if they used say a Cayman S as a benchmark the missed.
A base car will be at a pretty big HP disadvantage but I would bet a good steak that most people after driving both cars for a week would take the underpowered car as it provides a better driving experience.

The Z is:

1. Porkier then Kardashian calves
2. Lacks steering feel (its good, not great)
3. Ridiculously sensitive on/off TCS for a sports car

You are not going to get around the fact that a big honking 6 is hanging over the front axle vs a mid-engine car: tough to fight the physics there.

I seem to be in the minority on this site, but I wanted the Z to be a return to its roots, lighter, fun to toss, and absolute power not a requirement as its a street car. Heck I had hoped the Z33 was a NA I-6, 250 HP, 3000 lbs. Boy was I waaay of base on that. If you are going to charge 35-45K for it, then it should have better interior for its class. Missed that too.

Perhaps its hard for Nissan to do with the amount of platform sharing that may be mandated by corporate management. Driving the Z, I feel like it is a good GT car that wants to be a sports car. Driving the 987, I feel like I am driving a sports car that just wants to be pushed harder.

- b

Driftomodachi · 07-21-2013, 08:00 AM

I don't think Nissan missed. Have you driven a Cayman S? I have, several times. It feels similar to the z during normal driving. And the z hides it's weight very well because it has tons of grip. I've never taken the z or Cayman to the track so I can't compare the 2 there. Bnd the Cayman's cheap interior (not the new 981 based cayman) isn't as nice as the Z's IMO (one of the biggest complaints of the 997/981 based cars, especially the cheesy cup holders) but hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion

Give Nissan credit, they make the GT-R and it beat the 911 turbo (which was the performance goal) around the Nurburgring.

shadoquad · 07-21-2013, 10:29 AM

The cayman is faster. It handles better at the limit and puts its power down a bit better. The Z is fast and agile, but the cayman and boxster are possibly the best handling cars in the world.

That said, the z isn't very far behind in those department and is relatively affordable.

Driftomodachi · 07-21-2013, 11:49 AM

I smoked a cayman s on the way home on the freeway right after I picked up my z. I was on his *** like white on rice before I passed him up. It was my first victim lol so the z is def faster in a straight line from my experience.

Z_ealot · 07-21-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

I smoked a cayman s on the way home on the freeway right after I picked up my z. I was on his *** like white on rice before I passed him up. It was my first victim lol so the z is def faster in a straight line from my experience.

might want to read the forum rules regarding street racing discussion

shadoquad · 07-21-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

might want to read the forum rules regarding street racing discussion

But having driven both, the cayman s was faster. And the 2014 is even faster than that.

Also, anyone can suck at driving fast. Driver makes a bigger difference than car when the cars are that close in terms of power to weight.

Driftomodachi · 07-21-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

might want to read the forum rules regarding street racing discussion

I don't street race or anything like that it was just that one time but yeah I see your point

JungleZ · 07-21-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

I smoked a cayman s on the way home on the freeway right after I picked up my z. I was on his *** like white on rice before I passed him up. It was my first victim lol so the z is def faster in a straight line from my experience.

Would like to see you try your ricer flyby crap on a Mustang GT 5.0. You would get smoked.

07-20-2013, 11:58 AM	#33 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	I wouldn't think a Nissan would even be on the radar of someone who's seriously considering a Jag or Porsche. The dealerships aren't nice enough to draw that demographic in unless they're an enthusiast. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-20-2013, 12:18 PM	#35 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	People like that are out there, they're just in the minority of high end car buyers. I bought a Z over other cars that cost a lot more, so I understand. But enthusiasts are not the target market for high end prestige vehicles. Especially ones like the Jag where the performance isn't quite in line with the rest of the vehicles it competes with. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-21-2013, 08:00 AM	#39 (permalink)
Driftomodachi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Cerritos, CA Posts: 482 Drives: 2010 40th Rep Power: 14	I don't think Nissan missed. Have you driven a Cayman S? I have, several times. It feels similar to the z during normal driving. And the z hides it's weight very well because it has tons of grip. I've never taken the z or Cayman to the track so I can't compare the 2 there. Bnd the Cayman's cheap interior (not the new 981 based cayman) isn't as nice as the Z's IMO (one of the biggest complaints of the 997/981 based cars, especially the cheesy cup holders) but hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion Give Nissan credit, they make the GT-R and it beat the 911 turbo (which was the performance goal) around the Nurburgring. Last edited by Driftomodachi; 07-21-2013 at 08:21 AM.

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07-20-2013, 12:53 PM	#36 (permalink)
sunkist350z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Z-land Posts: 1,009 Drives: 2012 370z sport 6-sp Rep Power: 55342	The jag f-type is a beautiful design...I would take this over a 911 if only they offered a manual it's a fresh and updated design from the legendary e-type...jaguar are making the best looking automobiles today.

07-21-2013, 10:29 AM	#40 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3887	The cayman is faster. It handles better at the limit and puts its power down a bit better. The Z is fast and agile, but the cayman and boxster are possibly the best handling cars in the world. That said, the z isn't very far behind in those department and is relatively affordable.

07-21-2013, 11:49 AM	#41 (permalink)
Driftomodachi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Cerritos, CA Posts: 482 Drives: 2010 40th Rep Power: 14	I smoked a cayman s on the way home on the freeway right after I picked up my z. I was on his *** like white on rice before I passed him up. It was my first victim lol so the z is def faster in a straight line from my experience.