2014 Jaguar F-Type - really?

Chuck33079

To you. This isn't a z competitor. It's for someone looking at 911s.

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shadoquad

Sure it's a Z competitor. Just because someone has 90k to drop on a car, that doesn't mean they want to spend it all. If the Z is close enough in performance or interior quality and half the price, a consumer may opt for it. I'm not saying the Z is as nice or even as fast as the top level jag, but people might cross shop the two

Chuck33079

I wouldn't think a Nissan would even be on the radar of someone who's seriously considering a Jag or Porsche. The dealerships aren't nice enough to draw that demographic in unless they're an enthusiast.

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shadoquad

I know someone who cross shopped a zl1 and an frs. Again, just because you can spend a ton, doesn't mean you have to. His decision, in the end, was motivated by what else he could do with the rest of the money. And not every rich guy needs a prestige vehicle.

Chuck33079

People like that are out there, they're just in the minority of high end car buyers. I bought a Z over other cars that cost a lot more, so I understand. But enthusiasts are not the target market for high end prestige vehicles. Especially ones like the Jag where the performance isn't quite in line with the rest of the vehicles it competes with.

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sunkist350z

The jag f-type is a beautiful design...I would take this over a 911 if only they offered a manual it's a fresh and updated design from the legendary e-type...jaguar are making the best looking automobiles today.

Driftomodachi

I don't think Nissan missed. Have you driven a Cayman S? I have, several times. It feels similar to the z during normal driving. And the z hides it's weight very well because it has tons of grip. I've never taken the z or Cayman to the track so I can't compare the 2 there. Bnd the Cayman's cheap interior (not the new 981 based cayman) isn't as nice as the Z's IMO (one of the biggest complaints of the 997/981 based cars, especially the cheesy cup holders) but hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion

Give Nissan credit, they make the GT-R and it beat the 911 turbo (which was the performance goal) around the Nurburgring.

bvl

I own a Z and a Cayman, so I have the experience part well covered.

Interior plastics on the 987 are better then the Z. Mine is lightly optioned so no full leather etc...which brings it up market (for $$$ of course). If you want to look at little things, how about that ugly plastic ebrake holder on the Z? Exactly

From a big item perspective, the respective traction control systems are night and day. The Z's is abrupt and really no fun. Other cars (including the Porsche) have multiple levels of intervention, and allow for some light wheel spin and fun, some even having multiple settings. What a concept

To me, steering feel is pretty immediately noticed. Turn in, weight, ratio all seem to be right on the Porsche. The Z will turn: there is a lot of grip with the big rubber, but you have to set the turn differently and it doesn't rotate the same way (and why should it: engine up front).

I look for a car that feels great: I don't care about 'smoking' anyone. If I did, lots of V8's out there for less change.

Please don't read into what I am saying: the Z has lots of pluses. I just think Nissan fell short in a few key areas and when you compare the Z to a 987 or 981 for feel and sports car fun, the gap widens.

What Nissan did with the GT-R has absolutely no relevance to the Z car. The GT-R is a > 100K car with turbos, an expensive transmission, AWD, more computers then the space shuttle. Great engineering? Absolutely. Tossable? Not a verb most would use.

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shadoquad

The cayman is faster. It handles better at the limit and puts its power down a bit better. The Z is fast and agile, but the cayman and boxster are possibly the best handling cars in the world.

That said, the z isn't very far behind in those department and is relatively affordable.

Driftomodachi

I smoked a cayman s on the way home on the freeway right after I picked up my z. I was on his *** like white on rice before I passed him up. It was my first victim lol so the z is def faster in a straight line from my experience.

Z_ealot

might want to read the forum rules regarding street racing discussion

shadoquad

But having driven both, the cayman s was faster. And the 2014 is even faster than that.

Also, anyone can suck at driving fast. Driver makes a bigger difference than car when the cars are that close in terms of power to weight.

Driftomodachi

This was in a straight line for abour a mile an a half on an empty freeway so it can't be too hard to mash a gas pedal. It's a different story on the twisties

shadoquad

I'll have to just take your word on that, you were faster than some guy on that one day. Gotcha

Driftomodachi

I don't street race or anything like that it was just that one time but yeah I see your point