I meant performance wise

Sure it's a Z competitor. Just because someone has 90k to drop on a car, that doesn't mean they want to spend it all. If the Z is close enough in performance or interior quality and half the price, a consumer may opt for it. I'm not saying the Z is as nice or even as fast as the top level jag, but people might cross shop the two

I wouldn't think a Nissan would even be on the radar of someone who's seriously considering a Jag or Porsche. The dealerships aren't nice enough to draw that demographic in unless they're an enthusiast.

I know someone who cross shopped a zl1 and an frs. Again, just because you can spend a ton, doesn't mean you have to. His decision, in the end, was motivated by what else he could do with the rest of the money. And not every rich guy needs a prestige vehicle.

People like that are out there, they're just in the minority of high end car buyers. I bought a Z over other cars that cost a lot more, so I understand. But enthusiasts are not the target market for high end prestige vehicles. Especially ones like the Jag where the performance isn't quite in line with the rest of the vehicles it competes with.

The jag f-type is a beautiful design...I would take this over a 911 if only they offered a manual it's a fresh and updated design from the legendary e-type...jaguar are making the best looking automobiles today.

My good friend just picked up a new 5.0. New flowmaster exhaust system plus a tune put him at 382whp. Not that impressive IMO for a 5L V8. Plus their wheels, calipers, how the dash meets the doors, and the seats looks like fiddo's *** hole.

Right...and if they used say a Cayman S as a benchmark the missed.
A base car will be at a pretty big HP disadvantage but I would bet a good steak that most people after driving both cars for a week would take the underpowered car as it provides a better driving experience.

The Z is:

1. Porkier then Kardashian calves
2. Lacks steering feel (its good, not great)
3. Ridiculously sensitive on/off TCS for a sports car

You are not going to get around the fact that a big honking 6 is hanging over the front axle vs a mid-engine car: tough to fight the physics there.

I seem to be in the minority on this site, but I wanted the Z to be a return to its roots, lighter, fun to toss, and absolute power not a requirement as its a street car. Heck I had hoped the Z33 was a NA I-6, 250 HP, 3000 lbs. Boy was I waaay of base on that. If you are going to charge 35-45K for it, then it should have better interior for its class. Missed that too.

Perhaps its hard for Nissan to do with the amount of platform sharing that may be mandated by corporate management. Driving the Z, I feel like it is a good GT car that wants to be a sports car. Driving the 987, I feel like I am driving a sports car that just wants to be pushed harder.

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I don't think Nissan missed. Have you driven a Cayman S? I have, several times. It feels similar to the z during normal driving. And the z hides it's weight very well because it has tons of grip. I've never taken the z or Cayman to the track so I can't compare the 2 there. Bnd the Cayman's cheap interior (not the new 981 based cayman) isn't as nice as the Z's IMO (one of the biggest complaints of the 997/981 based cars, especially the cheesy cup holders) but hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion :)

Give Nissan credit, they make the GT-R and it beat the 911 turbo (which was the performance goal) around the Nurburgring.

The cayman is faster. It handles better at the limit and puts its power down a bit better. The Z is fast and agile, but the cayman and boxster are possibly the best handling cars in the world.

That said, the z isn't very far behind in those department and is relatively affordable.

I smoked a cayman s on the way home on the freeway right after I picked up my z. I was on his *** like white on rice before I passed him up. It was my first victim lol so the z is def faster in a straight line from my experience.

might want to read the forum rules regarding street racing discussion

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But having driven both, the cayman s was faster. And the 2014 is even faster than that.

Also, anyone can suck at driving fast. Driver makes a bigger difference than car when the cars are that close in terms of power to weight.

I don't street race or anything like that it was just that one time but yeah I see your point

Would like to see you try your ricer flyby crap on a Mustang GT 5.0. You would get smoked.