ATS vs 335 vs C350

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-11-2013, 01:20 PM

2012 BMW 335i Sport vs. 2013 Cadillac ATS 3.6 vs. 2013 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport - Comparison - Motor Trend

I had to post this article. I found the review extraordinarily similar to my opinions when comparing the ATS vs the 335. (I never had a chance to drive the new C350, so I don't know)

IMHO, In terms of handling. The cadillac picks up where BMW left off in 2001. Though the BMW is the fastest between the two, the BMW335i has been overrated and overpriced for a decade now and the driving experience has dumbed down over the years... I made reference to this car in alpha Snacks thread about the Q50. That the Q has to beat this car, not the BMW.
After driving the ATS, 2.0 turbo, which is not the flagship motor. I was completely and totally impressed. The 321hp v6 is the more powerful flagship motor. an upcoming 3.6litre TT is coming for the ATS-V.

This article also makes reference that the ATS, feels like driving a 370z. I dare be bold to agree with this statement. The ATS is what the G37s should have been in terms of feel. IMHO, GM never got a sedan so right... And it can only get better as the years move on.

Here's the video version as well. ENJOY!

kenchan · 06-11-2013, 03:24 PM

i would still choose the new accord sedan over these. why? cause it looks better and they are meh...sedans. lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-11-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

i would still choose the new accord sedan over these. why? cause it looks better and they are meh...sedans. lol

Historically I never been into these types of sedans. Test driven a few. Thought. Wow, Kewl and forgot about them the next day. I really had the same mindset as you. I would have rather bought an accord or altima over this type of sedan. But when i felt caddy's performance coming out of this sedan, I was amazed. There were reactions from the 2.0 motor that are missing in the Z, even though it's slower. It cornered so well, I forgot about this being a 4 door sedan.

A preconceived notion vs an actual driving experience made me see the car differently. I see the ATS as the truest sports sedan out there in terms of driving experience out to $50k budget limit. Styling isn't my favorite either. But it makes me crave for a next gen camaro badly.

I don't like sedans and converts, but i'm writing about it... so it's gotta be a good sedan to waste my time writing this.

EDIT: The ATS is made from Hydroform steel and weighs 3400lbs with four doors. Imagine this chassis evolving to partial aluminum. They can reduce weight probably an extra 100lbs. With removing all the luxuries for a simpler interior in a sporty camaro. The Alpha may be as low as 3200-3300lbs as a camaro with a 300+hp turbo and a 450hp v8.

fonzo179 · 06-11-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

i would still choose the new accord sedan over these. why? cause it looks better and they are meh...sedans. lol

lmfao no joke - when I first saw the new Accord I thought it looked like a spaceship on 4 wheels

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-11-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fonzo179

lmfao no joke - when I first saw the new Accord I thought it looked like a spaceship on 4 wheels

I think Kia is so cutting edge, they outdid, nissan, honda, hyundai, Mazda in design, and they are 3 years old with there model vs brand new entries from the rest.
2014 Honda Accord

2013 Kia Optima

JungleZ · 06-11-2013, 08:01 PM

BMW needs a new redesign on their front grills and bumper. The longer they have this going on none of these cars stand out from the rest.

I really want to try out the ATS, ill never forget 2006 during the real estate boom out here my roommate bought a CTS-V and let me drive it when he was drunk one night. That thing put your head back in your seat it was so much fun.

Z_ealot · 06-11-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I think Kia is so cutting edge, they outdid, nissan, honda, hyundai, Mazda in design, and they are 3 years old with there model vs brand new entries from the rest.
2014 Honda Accord

2013 Kia Optima

pretty sure i like the looks of the new 2014 mazda6 over the kia now

kenchan · 06-11-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I think Kia is so cutting edge, they outdid, nissan, honda, hyundai, Mazda in design, and they are 3 years old with there model vs brand new entries from the rest.

uhhh... kia appeals to losers.... you like kia?

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-11-2013, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

uhhh... kia appeals to losers.... you like kia?

You're not seriously making that level of low-grade stereotype are you?

While the Koreans still need to work on some performance issues concerning many models. I feel they've made bolder steps than the japanese in regular styled sub-premium vehicles. While my preference still lies with japanese for reliability and quality. The Koreans show promise in there perseverance to strive for more. I have respect and like the Kia design. There is a reality of you get what you pay for. While i wouldnt call korean cars cheap. They still don't live up to current japanese standards... for now. But im watching closely. Cuz I see japan making some shyt moves lately as well.

If that makes me a loser? So be it.

But uou guys know this is a ATS thread right????

synolimit · 06-20-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

i would still choose the new accord sedan over these. why? cause it looks better and they are meh...sedans. lol

You must have not driven it or any of these!

Had to buy the wife a new car. She had a 10 accord and we drove the 13 accord sport. Guess what? It's an accord. Felt the same, drove the same, just a upper level cheap Japanese car. nothing special, horrible power, no real refinement or luxury but that's ok at the time because she had nothing to really compare it to.

Then we drove the Buick Verono. Wife hated it. I had an 12 regal GS 2.0 turbo, huge brembos (same size as 370z), adjustable suspension, nice interior but really lacking in the power department with the tanny computer killing power whenever it wanted. A lot to be desired and not a GM fan at all. The ats can't be far behind.

Then the Kia optima. Nicer inside than the two but again no power and horrible motor sounds! Really cheap!

Then a BMW 325i. Wife's obsessed with BMW. Always has been but never drove one. The inside she liked, power was ok but everything that guy in the vid said was true!! Drive it and you're done with it.

Then the c300. She loves everything! Everyday she tells me she loves it. The ride, the power, the MOTOR SOUNDS WOW! (Then I put an exhaust mod on it!!!!), the interior, I could go on and on. Then her mom got rid of a 07 c280 and got an 11 e350. Then she had a leak fixed last week under warranty and they gave her a 13 glk350. Needless to say she loves them all. Merc 4 life!

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-20-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

You must have not driven it or any of these!

Had to buy the wife a new car. She had a 10 accord and we drove the 13 accord sport. Guess what? It's an accord. Felt the same, drove the same, just a upper level cheap Japanese car. nothing special, horrible power, no real refinement or luxury but that's ok at the time because she had nothing to really compare it to.

Then we drove the Buick Verono. Wife hated it. I had an 12 regal GS 2.0 turbo, huge brembos (same size as 370z), adjustable suspension, nice interior but really lacking in the power department with the tanny computer killing power whenever it wanted. A lot to be desired and not a GM fan at all. The ats can't be far behind.

Then the Kia optima. Nicer inside than the two but again no power and horrible motor sounds! Really cheap!

Then a BMW 325i. Wife's obsessed with BMW. Always has been but never drove one. The inside she liked, power was ok but everything that guy in the vid said was true!! Drive it and you're done with it.

Then the c300. She loves everything! Everyday she tells me she loves it. The ride, the power, the MOTOR SOUNDS WOW! (Then I put an exhaust mod on it!!!!), the interior, I could go on and on. Then her mom got rid of a 07 c280 and got an 11 e350. Then she had a leak fixed last week under warranty and they gave her a 13 glk350. Needless to say she loves them all. Merc 4 life!

Never driven a C300. But sat in one @ the Dallas Auto Show. I can attest too much hype goes to the BMW 3 series interior by comparison. Mercedes is true interior luxury. If luxury floats your boat? I don't see anything better than Mercedes in the price point.

synolimit · 06-20-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Never driven a C300. But sat in one @ the Dallas Auto Show. I can attest too much hype goes to the BMW 3 series interior by comparison. Mercedes is true interior luxury. If luxury floats your boat? I don't see anything better than Mercedes in the price point.

Well its got power too. In my shoes we own two cars. I wouldn't want my z and what he called a z like handling car that's stiff. It's nice to have one of each. If you were only buying one though, the merc would still have to be it from what I know about GM, trannys, etc. plus he did say stuff everything into the amazing merc package. All around its the best DD since no one will buy a ats to carve canyon roads 24/7.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-20-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Well its got power too. In my shoes we own two cars. I wouldn't want my z and what he called a z like handling car that's stiff. It's nice to have one of each. If you were only buying one though, the merc would still have to be it from what I know about GM, trannys, etc. plus he did say stuff everything into the amazing merc package. All around its the best DD since no one will buy a ats to carve canyon roads 24/7.

The only way i need a car to ride like a Benz is on road trips longer than 6 hours. Otherwise im good. Even then. I think the 6 hour thing is based on the passengers with me, not me, myself.
I truly love my cars to perform. Even a luxury sedan. I would be that guy in the market for an ATS even though i own a Z. I can haul people without losing the excitement of driving.

kenchan · 06-11-2013, 08:42 PM

mazda6 looks like it's riding on bicycle wheel/tire set. so narrow looking at it from behind...

DCNISMO · 06-11-2013, 09:51 PM

That TT motor has not been confirmed for the ATSV. That motor will go into the new CTS V sport. A new V for the ATS or CTS has not been confirmed or announced by GM yet regardless of what Jalopnik or other sites say. Trust me, I'm on the V boards and this has been discussed thoroughly. I think they are deciding on how to slot a real V into the GM line up. Right now the new C7 Vette does not match the current V in terms of power. So until a new ZR1 that's C7 based I don't think we get to see a new V. The current V will be sold as a 2014 model with orders placed this month.

06-11-2013, 01:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	ATS vs 335 vs C350 2012 BMW 335i Sport vs. 2013 Cadillac ATS 3.6 vs. 2013 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport - Comparison - Motor Trend I had to post this article. I found the review extraordinarily similar to my opinions when comparing the ATS vs the 335. (I never had a chance to drive the new C350, so I don't know) IMHO, In terms of handling. The cadillac picks up where BMW left off in 2001. Though the BMW is the fastest between the two, the BMW335i has been overrated and overpriced for a decade now and the driving experience has dumbed down over the years... I made reference to this car in alpha Snacks thread about the Q50. That the Q has to beat this car, not the BMW. After driving the ATS, 2.0 turbo, which is not the flagship motor. I was completely and totally impressed. The 321hp v6 is the more powerful flagship motor. an upcoming 3.6litre TT is coming for the ATS-V. This article also makes reference that the ATS, feels like driving a 370z. I dare be bold to agree with this statement. The ATS is what the G37s should have been in terms of feel. IMHO, GM never got a sedan so right... And it can only get better as the years move on. Here's the video version as well. ENJOY! __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

06-11-2013, 03:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	i would still choose the new accord sedan over these. why? cause it looks better and they are meh...sedans. lol

06-11-2013, 08:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
JungleZ Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: orange county,ca Posts: 652 Drives: leased base z... Rep Power: 0	BMW needs a new redesign on their front grills and bumper. The longer they have this going on none of these cars stand out from the rest. I really want to try out the ATS, ill never forget 2006 during the real estate boom out here my roommate bought a CTS-V and let me drive it when he was drunk one night. That thing put your head back in your seat it was so much fun.

06-11-2013, 08:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	mazda6 looks like it's riding on bicycle wheel/tire set. so narrow looking at it from behind...

06-11-2013, 09:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 178	That TT motor has not been confirmed for the ATSV. That motor will go into the new CTS V sport. A new V for the ATS or CTS has not been confirmed or announced by GM yet regardless of what Jalopnik or other sites say. Trust me, I'm on the V boards and this has been discussed thoroughly. I think they are deciding on how to slot a real V into the GM line up. Right now the new C7 Vette does not match the current V in terms of power. So until a new ZR1 that's C7 based I don't think we get to see a new V. The current V will be sold as a 2014 model with orders placed this month.