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UNKNOWN_370 05-17-2013 07:30 AM

Great (rumoured) news for Mustang Fanboys
 
Ford Insider: 2015 Mustang EcoBoost to pack 300hp, GT gets 475hp

It seems the next gen v6 mustang will get replaced with a 300hp ecoboost engine. So even if it lost 5 hp? I'm sure torque and responsiveness from the turbo 4 should eclipse the current V6. Hope they add a worthy driveshaft this time?

The 5.0 is being rumoured to punch out 475hp... That's a lot of stock boom if prices stay similar? Also, if they get a weight reduction to about 3300-3400? Whew??? Awesome. IRS, should sweeten the deal and make the next gen mustang the biggest muscle car to fear.

The camaro stands at 426 now. The C7 vette is at 450hp est. I expect either Chevy will further bump that power or get even more aggressive on weight reduction. Can't wait for the next gen Muscle Car Wars.:tup:

Chuck33079 05-17-2013 07:40 AM

IRS, a great V8, sounds awesome, handles well, what's not to like? Oh, right. the interior minus the Recaros.

It's a great time to be a car enthusiast.

theDreamer 05-17-2013 07:53 AM

The biggest factor I am waiting to hear is the weight drop.
I have heard 300 pounds to no weight loss in the past few months. Also, the Vette lost weight from its frame but had to bring some back for safety features which may end up being what Ford has to do with the new Mustang.

Chuck33079 05-17-2013 07:55 AM

It's going to be a hell of a car. From a performance standpoint, all it was missing was a proper rear suspension.

bdavis89 05-17-2013 07:57 AM

Forget Mustang or Z fanboys, as a car guy I think this will be awesome. I'm sure the GT will be starting at least $35k though..

I too am looking forward to the next gen Muscle Car Wars :tiphat:

theDreamer 05-17-2013 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2319830)
It's going to be a hell of a car. From a performance standpoint, all it was missing was a proper rear suspension.

And fatter tires.

JungleZ 05-17-2013 10:47 AM

I don't remember what torque feels like

Chuck33079 05-17-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2320051)
I don't remember what torque feels like

Give it a rest, man. You've said your piece. We get it.

Red__Zed 05-17-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2319833)
And fatter tires.

One day Ford will finally figure that one out...one day.


I'm not counting on too much of a weight drop with the new Mustang, even if they downsize it bit. Dropping weight costs money and I think they will already have a tough enough time hitting the right price point.

If they finally shed some of the "feature" bodywork and shrink it down, I could see it losing a couple hundred pounds, which would be amazing IMO. If they finally equip it with enough tire, I'm not sure there will be much that competes out of the box.

I thought they were finally stepping in the right direction when the track pack got some tires that were only 20mm thinner than the 370z, but then they handicapped the GT500 again....so who knows:ugh2:


I guess the good news is, tires are easily replaced. At least, that's what I hear. I've never owned a car long enough to replace the tires:roflpuke2:

Red__Zed 05-17-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2320051)
I don't remember what torque feels like

you should drive an s2000 and then come back to the 370Z

UNKNOWN_370 05-17-2013 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2320085)
One day Ford will finally figure that one out...one day.


I'm not counting on too much of a weight drop with the new Mustang, even if they downsize it bit. Dropping weight costs money and I think they will already have a tough enough time hitting the right price point.

If they finally shed some of the "feature" bodywork and shrink it down, I could see it losing a couple hundred pounds, which would be amazing IMO. If they finally equip it with enough tire, I'm not sure there will be much that competes out of the box.

I thought they were finally stepping in the right direction when the track pack got some tires that were only 20mm thinner than the 370z, but then they handicapped the GT500 again....so who knows:ugh2:


I guess the good news is, tires are easily replaced. At least, that's what I hear. I've never owned a car long enough to replace the tires:roflpuke2:

Yeah, the trick is going to be going IRS and reducing weight, while keeping cost down...

asdfsammich 05-17-2013 12:36 PM

Sounds promising for muscle car land.

You know some other rumors I been hearing. Next M2 and RS3 might getting engine configs like we want for the next Z.

I so hope the next Z pulls out a 6TT +/- 3.0 on a lighter platform.



Tapatalk2 ...

UNKNOWN_370 05-27-2013 10:53 AM

Seems more news is appearing about Ford's engine choice for the next-gen stang.

2015 Ford Mustang Engine Details Leaked?

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/imag...ed-59652-7.jpg

My opinion on this render... The front grille and hood look awesome, the rest looks generic. I hope they come up with something better for the stang body.

JARblue 05-27-2013 11:00 AM

It looks like a Sonata :ugh2:

agree with the grille and hood tho; the front end, excluding the fenders, looks quite nice

kenchan 05-27-2013 11:15 AM

it looks too high tech and modern looking to be a mustang.

XiP 05-27-2013 11:17 AM

That doesn't look like a mustang at all :icon14:

ElVee 05-27-2013 11:19 AM

Yeah, I can't even look at anything back beyond the front tires.

But I have to say, while I ...kinda... like the front end, I don't like it as a front end for a Mustang. I should not mistake a Mustang for a Taurus, and vice versa.

DarkJak 05-27-2013 12:52 PM

It looks almost like a crossover, kinda like the Honda Crosstour or the BMW GT cars. I strongly doubt the next gen Mustang will look anything like that.

475 hp and sub 3500 lbs would be amazing. Having to buy wider wheels would be a small price to pay, although I find it pretty ridiculous that their tires are thinner than the 370Z's.

JungleZ 05-27-2013 01:17 PM

Ford cars are starting to look like this, I wouldnt be shocked if this was close to the final result. I dont care how fast it will be it looks terrible like that.

kenchan 05-27-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2334594)
it looks too high tech and modern looking to be a mustang.

:iagree:

XiP 05-27-2013 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2334810)
:iagree:

:iagree:

UNKNOWN_370 05-28-2013 05:41 AM

Whatever it looks like... Outside the front grille, it looks very un-GT sport coupe. Ford needs a new plan IF, that's a real render???

They have two perfect sounding motors... They shouldn't mount it in something like that.

Red__Zed 05-28-2013 03:35 PM

I'm confused by the title. Would this be great news for car enthusiasts, not just "Mustang fanboys?"

kenchan 05-28-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2336312)
I'm confused by the title. Would this be great news for car enthusiasts, not just "Mustang fanboys?"

yah, im wondering what mustang boyz feel about the new design. it doesn't look all that muscular or the traditional retro theme.

like the taurus, ford should rename their next gen cars to kind of separate the old and the new.

the current taurus is actually pretty good looking.... too good to be a "taurus."

Red__Zed 05-28-2013 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2336323)
yah, im wondering what mustang boyz feel about the new design. it doesn't look all that muscular or the traditional retro theme.

like the taurus, ford should rename their next gen cars to kind of separate the old and the new.

the current taurus is actually pretty good looking.... too good to be a "taurus."

Ford is making good moves on the design front. The concept needs a lot of work but I like the direction.

Retro and retro-modern have more-or-less run their course in the 9 years since they brought the S197 to the table.

I don't really mind carrying the names forward, but then I wasn't alive to see most of these the first time through. I thought the first-gen Taurus was well-received, and we know the early Mustang was as well. Both cars had dark periods, but I don't know that it's worth throwing a name away over.

speedfreek 05-28-2013 04:09 PM

This is what happens when the Aston Martin designer redesigns your whole lineup. Could be worse they could of let the Aztek guys in like GM did on the rear end of the C7.

kenchan 05-28-2013 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2336328)
Ford is making good moves on the design front. The concept needs a lot of work but I like the direction.

Retro and retro-modern have more-or-less run their course in the 9 years since they brought the S197 to the table.

I don't really mind carrying the names forward, but then I wasn't alive to see most of these the first time through. I thought the first-gen Taurus was well-received, and we know the early Mustang was as well. Both cars had dark periods, but I don't know that it's worth throwing a name away over.

yah, with that in mind, that might be okay for the younger crowd of today.

im not sure since im not a ford fan, but also, i think they failed miserably with the 500 or watever that fugly sedan was that was supposedly the replacement for the taurus(?) so perhaps they wanted the name recogntion again to ensure that people know it's a ford car to isolate bad memories.

UNKNOWN_370 05-28-2013 05:44 PM

That eco boost engine intrigues me... I wonder what the first modded eco-boost stangs are going to produce in power and how will they stand against v8's with breather mods. It's going to be crazy.

Chuck33079 05-28-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2336496)
That eco boost engine intrigues me... I wonder what the first modded eco-boost stangs are going to produce in power and how will they stand against v8's with breather mods. It's going to be crazy.

I wonder if they'll call it the svo?

Red__Zed 05-28-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2336361)
yah, with that in mind, that might be okay for the younger crowd of today.

im not sure since im not a ford fan, but also, i think they failed miserably with the 500 or watever that fugly sedan was that was supposedly the replacement for the taurus(?) so perhaps they wanted the name recogntion again to ensure that people know it's a ford car to isolate bad memories.

I think the 500 was a Crown Vic replacement. They were trying to get it in as another fleet car....and failed horribly.

UNKNOWN_370 05-28-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2336524)
I wonder if they'll call it the svo?

Don't know but At the price point i expect that engine to be at.... It's going to be a benchmark engine for performance

JungleZ 05-28-2013 09:22 PM

No! looks like a transformers is about to bust out, right up your Camaro alley Unknown.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...psa7f12fbe.jpg

AlphaSnacks 05-28-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2336527)
I think the 500 was a Crown Vic replacement. They were trying to get it in as another fleet car....and failed horribly.

Nah, the 500 was a Taurus replacement. The last 2 years of production the car was renamed to the Taurus/Sable again.

kenchan 05-29-2013 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSnacks (Post 2336882)
Nah, the 500 was a Taurus replacement. The last 2 years of production the car was renamed to the Taurus/Sable again.

yah, that's wat i thought too. :tup:

regardless, the current taurus looks pretty good. thing is huge though, close up. :eekdance:

Red__Zed 05-29-2013 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSnacks (Post 2336882)
Nah, the 500 was a Taurus replacement. The last 2 years of production the car was renamed to the Taurus/Sable again.

It's kinda fuzzy I guess. The fusion slotted in under the Taurus and the 500 slotted in between the Taurus and crown Vic.

They tried to replace our fleet Vic's with 500s and replaced the fleet Taurus' with fusions.

The Taurus was a mid-size car until they built if off the 500, and it only became classified as a full-size in 08

ElVee 05-29-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2336846)
No! looks like a transformers is about to bust out, right up your Camaro alley Unknown.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...psa7f12fbe.jpg

This is at least better; maybe just a better angle than the earlier pic. Ultimately, I could live with this and not feel like I need to make a face each time I see it.

The joke would be how a Taurus and a Camaro crashed together just as they are both struck by lightning and this popped out. Maybe with a Charger nearby looking on.

UNKNOWN_370 05-29-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2336846)
No! looks like a transformers is about to bust out, right up your Camaro alley Unknown.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...psa7f12fbe.jpg

My name is in your mouth so much, you must dream of tasting me @ night. :supergay:

You sweat me as much as a female does... :shakes head:

UNKNOWN_370 05-29-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2337537)
This is at least better; maybe just a better angle than the earlier pic. Ultimately, I could live with this and not feel like I need to make a face each time I see it.

The joke would be how a Taurus and a Camaro crashed together just as they are both struck by lightning and this popped out. Maybe with a Charger nearby looking on.

Definitely better, but to me, these designs aren't very cutting edge for 21st century sports cars. I'm really expecting cars in the $30k-60k range to step up on external design. The stang looks like an accord coupe with a more aggressive front. Not a huge fan thus far.

Haboob 05-29-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2334576)
Seems more news is appearing about Ford's engine choice for the next-gen stang.

2015 Ford Mustang Engine Details Leaked?

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/imag...ed-59652-7.jpg

My opinion on this render... The front grille and hood look awesome, the rest looks generic. I hope they come up with something better for the stang body.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2334580)
It looks like a Sonata :ugh2:

agree with the grille and hood tho; the front end, excluding the fenders, looks quite nice

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2334594)
it looks too high tech and modern looking to be a mustang.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiP (Post 2334597)
That doesn't look like a mustang at all :icon14:

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2337769)
Definitely better, but to me, these designs aren't very cutting edge for 21st century sports cars. I'm really expecting cars in the $30k-60k range to step up on external design. The stang looks like an accord coupe with a more aggressive front. Not a huge fan thus far.


It's miles and miles better than the current design.

This body style they have now is just awful - I didn't even consider a Mustang when buying. I could care less if it put out 700HP and cost $20k, I still would have thought it ugly and moved on.

Still needs refinement for sure.

And Ford needs to axe the Aston Martin front fascia (more noticeable in other renderings). That's reserved for Aston Martin alone, damn it. :mad:

UNKNOWN_370 05-29-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2338036)
It's miles and miles better than the current design.

This body style they have now is just awful - I didn't even consider a Mustang when buying. I could care less if it put out 700HP and cost $20k, I still would have thought it ugly and moved on.

Still needs refinement for sure.

And Ford needs to axe the Aston Martin front fascia (more noticeable in other renderings). That's reserved for Aston Martin alone, damn it. :mad:

I do agree the current design gotta go. I admire mustang performance. Hearing one drive by with an exhaust impresses me. But the looks are horrendous, The interior incites nausea and the wheel pkg's suck. I honestly don't consider the v8 version much of a bargain either from a general standpoint. Considering the cost of SRA, Mustang should be able to keep this car base msrp floating at $29,000-30,000. Also, track pack should be standard if it's going to be priced where it is.

Don't get it twisted, i don't think it's expensive vs the competition. It's still a bargain in comparison. Just that with SRA, it can still have room to be cheaper from a value perspective. probably $3000-3500 cheaper than camaro instead of 1500. But so can most other sports cars too. I think sports cars today are generally overpriced. We're getting less for more these days in the sports car arena.

I think the next gen mustang will lead in value like it has in the past.


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