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m4a1mustang 06-21-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2372202)
Just pointing out the current mustang was rollin' stiffer than the prototype. That's all. Not making any judgement calls... YET!

I couldn't really tell. They were going slow so I couldn't really make anything out.

m4a1mustang 06-21-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2372940)
Co-worker said they are the current brakes off the GT500, the last few changes in brakes have been the standard mustang gets the old GT500 brakes.

Doesn't look like it, though. The calipers look quite different.

And I doubt that ford would put a 15" front rotor on the base GT.

theDreamer 06-21-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2372950)
Doesn't look like it, though. The calipers look quite different.

And I doubt that ford would put a 15" front rotor on the base GT.

They might be doing a track pack option.
Basically make more money with everything as an option, Euro is use to that. Start with a base GT, track option adds springs or sways with a BBK, maybe some better aero, tech package, etc.

m4a1mustang 06-21-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2372979)
They might be doing a track pack option.
Basically make more money with everything as an option, Euro is use to that. Start with a base GT, track option adds springs or sways with a BBK, maybe some better aero, tech package, etc.

I just don't see it getting a 15" BBK for anything but the Boss/GT500 variant.

The existing "sport package" type GT gets a 14" Brembo BBK. From the looks of it, the front caliper *looks* just like the current Brembo caliper used in the 14" kit.

UNKNOWN_370 06-21-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2372950)
Doesn't look like it, though. The calipers look quite different.

And I doubt that ford would put a 15" front rotor on the base GT.

Reduced weight chatter and rumored 475hp??? I dunno bout that? Especially if the next gen stang ends up being 3400lbs or less? I see it possible.

m4a1mustang 06-21-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2372982)
Reduced weight chatter and rumored 475hp??? I dunno bout that? Especially if the next gen stang ends up being 3400lbs or less? I see it possible.

Well Ford has been saying for the longest time that they want the incoming models to be at least 250lbs lighter than the ones they replace. So it's possible that the next gen will come in under 3400lbs (3600-250 = 3350).

The S550 chassis does look a little smaller than the S197. There is a lot of padding/cladding hiding whats really going on with that car.

475 hp? Entirely possible. The current GTs are underrated at 420hp. With direct injection they should easily make more than 450hp.

UNKNOWN_370 06-21-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2372996)
Well Ford has been saying for the longest time that they want the incoming models to be at least 250lbs lighter than the ones they replace. So it's possible that the next gen will come in under 3400lbs (3600-250 = 3350).

The S550 chassis does look a little smaller than the S197. There is a lot of padding/cladding hiding whats really going on with that car.

475 hp? Entirely possible. The current GTs are underrated at 420hp. With direct injection they should easily make more than 450hp.

250lbs and 475hp... What if the 475 ends up being underrated? That car will need serious stopping power. The current brembo brake kit isn't getting straight a's in reviews, so i can definitely see the potential for an upgrade in braking, along with weight reduction and a power spike.

Ford takes being on the number one spot seriously. The SS1LE shattered the GT/Track pkg. Next years car from mustang is going to shatter camaro SS1LE, guaranteed. That's what chevy and ford do... Take turns shattering each others ego each other every 2 years. Next year is Ford's turn :tiphat: Long live the muscle car wars.

m4a1mustang 06-21-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2373030)
250lbs and 475hp... What if the 475 ends up being underrated? That car will need serious stopping power. The current brembo brake kit isn't getting straight a's in reviews, so i can definitely see the potential for an upgrade in braking, along with weight reduction and a power spike.

Ford takes being on the number one spot seriously. The SS1LE shattered the GT/Track pkg. Next years car from mustang is going to shatter camaro SS1LE, guaranteed. That's what chevy and ford do... Take turns shattering each others ego each other every 2 years. Next year is Ford's turn :tiphat: Long live the muscle car wars.

The Brembos are actually very good. Like almost any car, they need a pad and fluid upgrade for hardcore driving. That's it.

UNKNOWN_370 06-21-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2373035)
The Brembos are actually very good. Like almost any car, they need a pad and fluid upgrade for hardcore driving. That's it.


I know, but pound for pound on track. The camaro has received much more praise for it's stock brembo kit for not fading. while ford has had fade issues from stock under certain conditions, like our akebono's have issues under certain conditions

Red__Zed 06-21-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2373030)
250lbs and 475hp... What if the 475 ends up being underrated? That car will need serious stopping power. The current brembo brake kit isn't getting straight a's in reviews, so i can definitely see the potential for an upgrade in braking, along with weight reduction and a power spike.

Ford takes being on the number one spot seriously. The SS1LE shattered the GT/Track pkg. Next years car from mustang is going to shatter camaro SS1LE, guaranteed. That's what chevy and ford do... Take turns shattering each others ego each other every 2 years. Next year is Ford's turn :tiphat: Long live the muscle car wars.

The 14" brembos seemed to be fine on the 550hp GT500 while dealing with more weight than this guy is likely to. I expect they'll be fine for reasonable track duty.

m4a1mustang 06-21-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2373218)
I know, but pound for pound on track. The camaro has received much more praise for it's stock brembo kit for not fading. while ford has had fade issues from stock under certain conditions, like our akebono's have issues under certain conditions

I don't even bother with stock brake comparisons because it is a moot point for those of us that do real hardcore driving. We upgrade our pads/fluid right away as a street pad and DOT 3 fluid just won't hold up to any track or extended spirited driving.

With pad/fluid upgrades these systems are going to perform almost identically.

The only caveat would be the Akebono system, which is in a much greater need of additional air cooling than the Brembo calipers used on the Mustang/Camaro. The latter are bigger and do a better job of expelling heat. The Akebonos have a nasty habit of retaining a lot of it and really benefit from ducting.

I do really like mine with DS2500 pads and ATE Blue, though.

m4a1mustang 06-21-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2373246)
The 14" brembos seemed to be fine on the 550hp GT500 while dealing with more weight than this guy is likely to. I expect they'll be fine for reasonable track duty.

They are great for track duty. Just needs an appropriate pad with DOT 4 fluid. Additional cooling is always a plus.

Lug 06-21-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2373266)
I don't even bother with stock brake comparisons because it is a moot point for those of us that do real hardcore driving. We upgrade our pads/fluid right away as a street pad and DOT 3 fluid just won't hold up to any track or extended spirited driving.

With pad/fluid upgrades these systems are going to perform almost identically.

"Stangs still using Dot 3?!?!?!? Damm, your wife's economy car uses better brake fluid than that!:eek:


:D

m4a1mustang 06-21-2013 12:02 PM

Found more detailed pics

2015 Mustang s550 FULL PROTOTYPE Spy Pics [6/10/13] - 2015+ S550 Mustang Forum (6th Generation Platform) - Mustang6G.com

Front brakes are definitely NOT the current GT Brembos, nor are they the current GT500s. Something new.

UNKNOWN_370 06-27-2013 06:16 PM

Sounds Brolic!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByIDbHb6_0I

UNKNOWN_370 06-27-2013 06:18 PM

Mach 1& ShelbyGT350 Mustang?
 
2015 Ford Mustang to Revive Mach 1 Moniker

UNKNOWN_370 06-29-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2373266)
I don't even bother with stock brake comparisons because it is a moot point for those of us that do real hardcore driving. We upgrade our pads/fluid right away as a street pad and DOT 3 fluid just won't hold up to any track or extended spirited driving.

With pad/fluid upgrades these systems are going to perform almost identically.

The only caveat would be the Akebono system, which is in a much greater need of additional air cooling than the Brembo calipers used on the Mustang/Camaro. The latter are bigger and do a better job of expelling heat. The Akebonos have a nasty habit of retaining a lot of it and really benefit from ducting.

I do really like mine with DS2500 pads and ATE Blue, though.

Yeah, but what you don't bother with and what Ford is trying to do in terms of getting a better review against the camaro are two different things. SEVERAL Video reviews of both cars on track prove the camaro braking to be much more confident and track ready from stock.

Point of previous statements was simple based on what looks like a larger caliper and a reason why Ford would want to improve on the brakes they already have. Which is based on the camaro v8 SS/1LE performance. It's direct competitor.

Though you're mostly accurate concerning Z brakes to a point. (Z brakes don't give problems in cooler weather with the proper upgrades. Brake hoses necessary for summer driving). It's not relevant to the Camaro/mustang (challenger)redesign war.:tiphat:

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2373431)
Found more detailed pics

2015 Mustang s550 FULL PROTOTYPE Spy Pics [6/10/13] - 2015+ S550 Mustang Forum (6th Generation Platform) - Mustang6G.com

Front brakes are definitely NOT the current GT Brembos, nor are they the current GT500s. Something new.

Basically what we were observing. :tup:

UNKNOWN_370 08-19-2013 08:33 AM

Looks like the mustang changed their minds concerning the importance of weight reduction... Ford is making sure they are ready when the 2016 C6 camaro with the new alpha platform arrives. According to edmunds, Mustang decided to go on a 400lb diet. With the v6 near 3600lbs and the v8 close to 3700lbs. This should put them at around 3200 and 3300lbs. Which is an estimated 100-150lbs LIGHTER than the expectations of the alpha/camaro. Read the edmunds article.

2015 Ford Mustang Goes on a Diet | Edmunds.com

Gotta love the muscle car wars!!! :excited:

m4a1mustang 08-19-2013 08:40 AM

If it's 400lbs lighter its going to be insane.

Arrvaxx 08-19-2013 08:42 AM

:yum: I love my 40th and am about to drop a crap load of cash on it but if they did all that? Man...that'd be hard to pass up.

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Originally Posted by asdfsammich (Post 2320211)
Sounds promising for muscle car land.

You know some other rumors I been hearing. Next M2 and RS3 might getting engine configs like we want for the next Z.

I so hope the next Z pulls out a 6TT +/- 3.0 on a lighter platform.



Tapatalk2 ...


theDreamer 08-19-2013 08:54 AM

The 400lbs is going to only be the v6 or ecoboost model they are saying now.
Though the v8 will try to cut 200lbs, it might not fully happen they think.

Also rumor or confirmed facts are:
-GT500 is gone and replaced with a NA GT350 to compete against the NA Camaro
-SVT (unknown official name) will be the new top dog. Probably using the 5.0 but unsure yet on SC or TT yet. Another rumor for this model is they hope to take on the Corvette and bypass the top Camaro. They want to basically destroy the Camaro at the top and put a challenge against the Corvette C7.

Also a minimum of a 10% price increase for the Mustang may happen for the top end models.

m4a1mustang 08-19-2013 08:59 AM

I want them to bring back the SVT Snake Horse.

UNKNOWN_370 08-19-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2452089)
The 400lbs is going to only be the v6 or ecoboost model they are saying now.
Though the v8 will try to cut 200lbs, it might not fully happen they think.

Also rumor or confirmed facts are:
-GT500 is gone and replaced with a NA GT350 to compete against the NA Camaro
-SVT (unknown official name) will be the new top dog. Probably using the 5.0 but unsure yet on SC or TT yet. Another rumor for this model is they hope to take on the Corvette and bypass the top Camaro. They want to basically destroy the Camaro at the top and put a challenge against the Corvette C7.

Also a minimum of a 10% price increase for the Mustang may happen for the top end models.

I don't think Chevy is going to let that happen this time around. I think they intend the camaro to beat or rival the mustang, without giving them the leeway to compete against the corvette directly... If you look at the engine platforms they have now, and the new alpha platform which we really know nothing about. People are estimating 3400-3500lb chassis based on tensile steel composition on the ATS. We don't know if chevy will use other tricks for weight reduction on the camaro. We have to see which way chevy goes in the war. It's going to be tight. :driving:

theDreamer 08-19-2013 09:11 AM

I would agree, but Ford has been keeping a lot under wraps with the next Mustang and some rumors are coming out they want to bump themselves up a level in the competition.

UNKNOWN_370 08-19-2013 09:41 AM

We don't know ANYTHING about the C6 and they have the advantage of coming out one year later. But hey, it's a healthy competition that stirs much excitement. :tup:

m4a1mustang 08-20-2013 11:21 AM

2015 Ford Mustang spy photos, photo gallery and front-end shots - Autoweek

http://autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20...s.jpg&maxW=630

m4a1mustang 08-20-2013 11:23 AM

A lot more here: The Face of the 2015 Mustang! - 2015+ S550 Mustang Forum (6th Generation Platform) - Mustang6G.com

Definitely took cues from the Evos.

m4a1mustang 08-20-2013 11:37 AM

Looking through the photos with the exposed front end you definitely get the idea that this is going to be a very trim, sculpted body once the padding and camouflage comes off.

Rooster89 08-20-2013 05:21 PM

Good find Steve! :tup:

b1adesofcha0s 08-20-2013 05:34 PM

Looks good :tup:

Tribalpinoy91 08-20-2013 05:53 PM

Hope this news makes nissan up the output for the next z..

theDreamer 08-21-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2453709)
Looking through the photos with the exposed front end you definitely get the idea that this is going to be a very trim, sculpted body once the padding and camouflage comes off.

So a few people from s197, who may or may not work for Ford, said that is not the front but just a test mule.

m4a1mustang 08-21-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2454774)
So a few people from s197, who may or may not work for Ford, said that is not the front but just a test mule.

I bet it's the front. It probably wasn't supposed to be spotted and they want to add some confusion.

theDreamer 08-21-2013 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2454782)
I bet it's the front. It probably wasn't supposed to be spotted and they want to add some confusion.

That is what others are saying, this is on par with the iPhone 4 being found at the bar and plastered all over tech websites.
The Mustang being found on a track with minimal covers was never intended to be photographed. There are some mock ups with a Fusion layered over the Mustang prototype and they look similar.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/large/838/4t8h.jpg

m4a1mustang 08-21-2013 09:43 AM

Definitely going to be similarities, but I think that's the point with their new design language. When all is said and done, and they sit side-by-side, obviously they are going to look very different even with similar design language.

daisuke149 08-21-2013 10:08 AM

yeah not sure why people get all crazy over the cars being similar. every company follows a design language across all its models.

look at all the new lexus models.
All the Hyundai.s
BMW etc.

theDreamer 08-21-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2454847)
yeah not sure why people get all crazy over the cars being similar. every company follows a design language across all its models.

look at all the new lexus models.
All the Hyundai.s
BMW etc.

I think it has to do with the Mustang has been different from the line up over the years.
I mean, it draws minor items into its design for cost savings, but really when you see a Mustang(v6,v8,shelby,etc) you know it is a Mustang.

m4a1mustang 08-21-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2454851)
I think it has to do with the Mustang has been different from the line up over the years.
I mean, it draws minor items into its design for cost savings, but really when you see a Mustang(v6,v8,shelby,etc) you know it is a Mustang.

Thing is, when I look at this one, it still screams "Mustang" to me.

daisuke149 08-21-2013 10:12 AM

Steve since you prolly know where it is offhand, theres a rendering of what this would look like without the covers. and it looks good.

m4a1mustang 08-21-2013 12:12 PM

I think I know what you're talking about, and it did look pretty good. I try not to rely on those too much because you never know, but based on how the front looks vs. how it looked under cover you definitely get the feeling that the body shape is going to be very trim and sculpted with good proportions. Somewhat low slung and very sporty with dimensions more in line with an M4 (M3 Coupe) than the current S197 chassis Mustangs. You can tell that it's smaller inside just by looking at the driver.

I'm excited for it. Lots of cool new cars in the pipeline.


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