I have no problems seeing in the z. Mirrors properly positioned, I can see most of what's happening around me.
In the bulky Camaro, I could not see around that rear 3/4 as well, and that's an enormous area. Now, you have the advantage of having one around to fiddle with, but I feel safer in the Z than the chevy, as far as sight lines, and my Sti beats em both.

maybe the outward visibility of the regular 370z is better than the camaro.
I had the Nismo and the rear wing covered up half of the window. Whenever I changed lane, I had to check twice. In the rain, maybe three times :)

The first day when I got the Camaro, it seemed so big and hard to maneuver. Two weeks later, it didn't feel so big anymore.

For me, I like the look of the 370z better but the Camaro V8 produces better sound during acceleration.

http://i46.tinypic.com/vqthk0.jpg

Yeah, non-nismo

And I'll never argue against the sound of an LS engine :yum:

oh yeah.
When I had the Nismo, I always feared of damaging the front spoiler (when parking) so I was super careful and it never got damaged

As you know, on the Nismo, If you moved up a little too far and hit the parking stopper, you are going to be so sorry.

I kinda counted that against the Nismo's outward visibility too -- maybe I shouldn't have :)

I find visibilty about equal but the Z being smaller compensates for the limited visibilty. That said. I still don't have any problems driving the camaro. But the Z overall is a more confident driving car.

My main issue with the Camaro (and most American cars, to be honest), is that the seats are not made for me. Hell, the entire car is not made for me.

I'm a short, skinny guy, and the Camaro just feels like it isn't made for someone of that size at all. The seats are huge, the steering wheel is a giant brick of plastic, everything feels oversized -- it's just... eugh.

I like how it sounds. The power is cool. The 1LE package is awesome.

But the car itself is just... I don't know. Poorly designed, I guess? They certainly sacrificed a lot just for the sake of aesthetics, and that shows if you don't fit perfectly into the Camaro.

The 1LE actually has an alcantara steering wheel. The good thing with the 1LE, you don't have to touch the suspension. The only thing I would like to do is lower the car. But all the right parts are in there. Which will save you money. (Our z suspensions need mods) With that said. The seats would be fixed by buying some recaro or other type racing seat.

Most cars under $100,000 aren't perfect, and you will always need to fix something. On the Z, The priority is in the suspension for track use. In the 1LE, it will be the seats. :tup:

but if you're short and skinny? You may look a little silly behind the wheel of a camaro? The Z is probably the perfect fit. I'm 6ft and 170lbs. I still look small coming out a camaro. lol

CAMARO: The Car That Makes Big Guys Look Small. :rofl2:

well, guys, sorry, I like big cars :-)

One time one of my co-workers gave me a 15 min lecture because she heard I had said the Humvee was a cool car :-O

The changes to the styling are minor...very minor based on the spyshots a few weeks ago. You probably couldn't tell the difference unless you're an owner. I'm guessing it's going to be as interesting or uninteresting as the facelift to the Z.

You never know, like the Mustang there has not been a new body style on the road yet.
All test mules have been just current model cars with different interiors, suspension, and engine.

I can't honestly think of a good reason anyone would pick a high powered Camaro, re-styled or otherwise, over a new Corvette Stingray. If they drop an LS7 in the Camaro, the price is gonna approach or exceed the Corvette. I doubt the unveal is going to be the new platform, so we're still talking about a relatively heavy car.

If I wanted comfy sporty rides I would have kept my 2000 Eclipse GT over either the Z or Camaro.

If you need a back seat?

If you drive friends and family around?

The Camaro is a more practical car, albeit slower.

The ZL1 doesn't need an LS7 to reach Vette moneys.

That said, a Corvette is the leading candidate to replace my Z in a year or two.

What does A have to do with B??? The Camaro has a different pupose from the camaro. And the eclipse has a different purpose from the other two.

kinda embarrassing to bring up a post 99 eclipse as even a sport entry altogether. And you're talking about v6 garbage. We are talking about this type of camaro...

Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE vs Ford Mustang GT Track Pack! - Head 2 Head Episode 25 - YouTube

In the real world and not in unlimited income world... $20,000
Back seats may be useful as well as lower insurance due to back seats. Some people just plain old,ACTUALLY like GT's??? Maybe??? :ugh2:

Redesign is a 2016 model. This is just a refresh. I clarified that in the primary post.

you know, my 2013 camaro 2SS insurance premium is lower than my 2010 370z nismo.
C7's insurance premium has got to be much higher.

rates for 6-months:
http://i50.tinypic.com/t4ztd5.jpg

Not only that but Z insurance has been stagnant or has increased for most. Camaro has been lowered more over time than the Z.

Insurance rates vary by many many factors.

And this past summer, I got quoted for insurance with the idea of trading my Z in for a used Corvette Z06. The Vette was much cheaper to insure than the 370Z. I was amazed. Same type of car (rwd 2-seater), and the Corvette was lighter and 170hp faster than the Z, yet cheaper to insure.

perhaps it's because in general, z drivers are younger than Corvette drivers ?
someone told me WRX's insurance rates are quite high because of the young drivers.

I think that has a lot to do with it. Or perhaps Vette drivers park/live in nicer neighborhoods. Or perhaps the Vette's cheaper to insure because it's a domestic? I don't know. My STI is very pricy, too, although my Z is more expensive.

Do you also think it's because there are more Vettes on the road? Therefore easier to get parts or maybe the parts are cheaper? I'm just taking a wild guess. I see hardly any 370z's but come across Vettes all the time, even Z06's. I rarely see a new STI. But then again, I can only speak from my experience. Maybe others see Z's all the time.

Quite possible!

The Z sells low but is built on a common platform. FM
The VQ37 sells in the G37 sedan and coupe which sells about 60,000 units a year
The M37 is also built on the same platform and sells around 20,000 units. The Ex35 and FX are built on the same platform. So chassis parts are plenty as well as engine parts. Problem is... Everything from FM platform is imported so there's added importation taxes and shipping on those parts. All vette parts are made here in the USA.

Good point, I didn't think of that. And domestic vs. international parts makes sense.

A little weight reduction news from GM.

GM CEO orders 15% diet for all new models by 2016. Bodes well for 6th gen Camaro? | Camaro ZL1 Z28 SS LT Camaro forums, news, blog, reviews, wallpapers, pricing – Camaro5.com » Blog Archive

15% from the camaro would be in the 500-600lb range, which would bring the camaro down from 3800lbs for a manual SS to 3300 lbs. That's a huge difference. This means the v6's will be right under 3200 lbs. With this kind of weight loss on the same motors and updated suspensions? This would make camaro, the fastest affordable sports car out today if it happened tomorrow? Damn. The mustang may lose a little weight and the Z is supposed to be substantially lighter next gen.

It looks like we went from the HP wars to the weight wars.

Teased photo of 2014 grille. Looks like the grille might be thinned out???? Looks strange to me... I wonder if they will reduce overhang???

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attach...8&d=1363798626

i think I like mine better :-)
sometimes newer is not necessary better.

We'll find out soon enough??? A couple more days to see the whole car.:tiphat:

GM listing for the 2014 camaro shows LS7 engine.

2014 Camaro Listed with LS7 Engine Option! For Z28 model or separate package? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com

More Teasers/Renders from Chevy. The ZL-1 shows the full frontal. I like the grille in general BUT, the "whole front" seems too big for those narrow lights... Maybe its just the way the photo was taken? I dunno? I'm guessing thats the direction they're going with the next gen headlights??

http://www.camaro5.com/wp-content/th...385&w=610&zc=1

It looks like it's squinting...

Besides, didn't anyone tell them that it was the interior that needed changing?

the interior was refreshed in 12, everything was improved but the steering wheel. They found a way to make it 3x uglier than it already was.:ugh2:

http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/5/p/2/ag_13zl1conv_dash.JPG

For me, I like the Camaro's interior better than any other car I have ever owned because of the HUD (head up display). That thing is just way too cool. No other non-GM car has it.

The Q50 will have it this summer.

Good for them. Car manufacturers should put that technology into their cars. I would love it :)

I think GM and Nissan traded some tech secrets. We are getting the HUD's and chevy is getting the DRM.

That Camaro interior is awful. It looks like it was designed by Fisher Price.

hahhahaha, true story . jjeeeezz

I used to think so too until I had a 2013 rental. I don't particularly care for the style but quality wise it was very nice. Surprised the hell out of me.

Gauge placement is incredibly stupid though. The Z has it right with the three pods within line of sight. The Camaro tucks them under the dash in the center console.... Wat :icon14:

The reason for the brutal gauge placement is, retro. The old cars had the same placement.

I really dislike the Nav screen on the 2013 model. Looks like an afterthought.