The Infiniti Q60

ZBro16

This whole thing is boring and awful looking. Terrible. The freakin roofline looks like something that was built to accomodate Harry and the Hendersons.

Pass.

UNKNOWN_370

Here's some more info quoted from the Q60 forum

"Infiniti will roll out a coupe version of the Q50 sedan it brought to the 2013 Detroit Auto Show in another two or three years according to brand boss Johan de Nysschen.

“I think the coupe is an important part of the platform,” said de Nysscehn in an interview with CarAdvice. “Most certainly we are working right now on a coupe derivative of the car [Q50] … known at the Q60.
The all-new Q50 sedan was revealed with a revised version of Infiniti’s 3.7-liter V6 engine that makes 328 hp, which may carry over to the Q60. When asked about other engines for the Q50, de Nysschen revealed that Infiniti is sourcing turbo-charged four cylinder and diesel engines from Mercedes-Benz. “Same for transmissions. We will be commencing, through joint manufacturing with Jatco, a transmission that will also be used by Daimler,” said de Nysschen"

So it seems the Q60 will continue with the 3.7. Also will carry a 4 cylinder turbo. Will have a Diesel model. (Probably for europe at first). Strange no mention of the 3.5 hybrid version?

The good news in this information is that we're not adopting mercedes transmissions. We're helping them improve theirs. Glad to hear that cuz the mercedes 7 speed is garbage compared to our cars performance-wise. We definitely don't need help with slushboxes.

ZBro16

Umm... Jatco makes all the Nissan CVTs. Not a good sign, IMHO.

UNKNOWN_370

JATCO makes the 7at.its one of the most advanced autos. Jatco makes CVT's... yes. Like it or not? They are the most advanced in the business. If you seperate fact from opinion you can appreciate what's positive as well as a potential negative.

Example.Negative. I don't like CVT's and nissan makes them.

Example Positive. I wouldn't buy a CVT cuz i don't like them, but at least nissan makes the most advanced CVT in the game, and everyone is trying to copy it.

Our 7at's shift at DCT speeds. Thats a huge feet almost no other auto can claim. Those are facts, my opinion aside.

ZBro16

Didn't realize they made transmissions with actual gears. That's cool. Props to them. That means it could go either way - CVT or 7AT or 13AT. Given Nissan's recent track record of sticking a CVT in everything, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what ends up in this car, hence the argument. I don't care how advanced the CVT is - it makes for a dull, boring, unengaging, and uneventful driving experience. I have owned one and driven it, so I'm qualified to form that opinion. When you discount the shotty reliability record of the Jatco CVT unit in general, they're great if all you want in a car is a people mover. That's not what the Z is, and that's not what the Q60 should be, either.

On the topic of all this factually opinionated stuff, I'll inject this - Borg Warner makes the transmission in the GT-R. I consider that to be an "advanced" automatic transmission. What Jatco is doing with the 7AT is simply improving upon a formula that has existed for 60+ years. They did a good job. What they did not do is reinvent the automatic transmission for a sports car.

I'm looking at this Q60 turd for what it is - a boring, non-innovative, entry level luxury car that will not outsell a CTS Coupe, a BMW 4-series, or an Audi A5. When the sales numbers are published next year, I'll let you dwell on those facts.

I have been a Nissan enthusiast for a long time. I talked with the Senior Marketing Manager to the Maxima, 370Z, and GT-R programs yesterday on a live chat. His name is Carl Phillips. The guy was about as excited and enthusiastic about these cars as I am about buying a Toyota Prius for autocrossing. That's who is in charge of the future design and marketing for Nissan's flagship products and the Q60 and the inevitable future turds like it are what we can expect from the company who employs people like Carl Phillips to be in charge of these products.

At this rate, companies like Ford could release a fencepost with four wheels and an SVT badge and generate more interest than Nissan is able to do with an entire brand with actual cars. And no, don't throw the GT-R in my face as the exception to that rule. The GT-R further fuels my argument in that it is the shining, living example of what Nissan can do at its maximum potential, and they choose not to do anything above what is necessary for any of its vehicles that are made for regular people, i.e. those that can't afford GT-Rs.

You view that as being negative - I view that as being realistic.

UNKNOWN_370

A dual clutch transmission is not an advanced automatic transmission. It's a Dual clutch transmission. I don't suck ford C@ck and I don't behind the GT-R to prove shyt. I talk about the factual goings on behind a company and not the rantified biases of one self loathing their vehicle.

There has never been a Z with a CVT and their wont be, There has never BEEN an infinti with a CVT either. Unless there's a passenger car for utlility I don't see that happening.
I've have had borth Altima 2.5 and 2.5 in CVT guise. 3.5 the Altima was too powerful to call it boring, even with a CVT. DRM simulation on the 3.5 also helped. BUT when we are talking 2.5? Yes, the altima was completely dul.

Reliability has improved and CVT transmissions have a separate 10year 120,000 mile warranty. The average car owner trades at 75,000 and 5 years. So that ends that. This CVT rant on the infiniti thread is stupid considering CVT has NEVER been placed in an infiniti.

Now to infiniti. Those photos are shops and we still don't really know how they will look. Unfortunately they were posted online as the real deal but weren't.

As it stands right now. The infiniti G37 is considered a sportier and more engaging drive than the 3 series. The Current 3 series sedans for 2013 have degraded down to a mindless driving experience according to reviews and have been demolished by the competition. Cadillac ATS.

Infiniti has the redbull racing team tuning the infiniti. You may not like the design. But I will put money on the fact that the Q50 sedan will demolish the bimmer and the race for power will be between the ATS and Q50.

The Infiniti Q50 - Dynamic Evaluation - YouTube

If you don't like the Q50 or the unseen Q60? More power to you. But things you're bringing up have nothing to do with this car in its functionality. BYTHE WAYa Dual clutch on hand for the Q50 3.5 hybrid, NOT a CVT

ZBro16

Dude, paint it however you want. It shifts gears by itself unless you move a switch and enable paddles. As far as the driver is concerned, the operation is no different than a 370Z 7AT. It IS an advanced evolution of the automatic transmission. There aren't three pedals and a driver is not required to select gears. It is optional.

I don't either. I can, however, recognize success where success is due.

That sounds less factual and more opinionated.

I take it you've never heard of the JX35 then? Which is, by the way, the first clean sheet vehicle Infiniti put out since Nissan heavily adopted the CVT in MY2008.

Not with the same powertrain in the current G37s, it's not. And guess what - that's the only confirmed engine in the car besides the "in the works" hybrid.

I'll tell you what... I'll leave you to from Nissan's and you can leave me to my own educated opinions regarding NNA's approach to "reinvigorating" its product portfolio.

For future reference, abstain from posting a news scoop on a product if you're scared of the opinions it might generate... on a form of social media that is designed to discuss opinions.

Phuck Phace

Ooof, that huge rear quarter window is killing it.

kenchan

i dont mind cvt as long as it's not on my car.

UNKNOWN_370

I have cvt in my wifes altima. She likes it. I drive my Z. The cvt in the 3.5 with all that power wasn't bad. In a 2.5?

speedfreek

It looks like it cross breeded with a Genisis coupe.

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kenchan

cvt's arent bad per se. i just like to shift my own gears.

tjlazer

A 3.7L V6 or V4 Turbo? UGH That sucks!

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nmjaxx9

rather have that then just a straight 3.

UNKNOWN_370

I needa see a V4 turbo...