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UNKNOWN_370 02-28-2013 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2188927)
Saddly, this is true more times than I can count. My adopted younger brother in high school has a "teggy." He and his friend, are also "teggy" owners and some of the most arrogant little shyts you'll meet. They all think they drive Veyrons. It's like they're practicing to be future BMW owners. It's a shame really, because I actually like the Integra and cars like the 240. Don't get me wrong, I've met a bunch of really cool owners, but it seems like I tend to meet a lot more d-bags owners.
Don't like civics but I was in love with the older integra's. Owned a 240. Great handling car. Needed more umphhh though. But was fun at the limit. Sound familiar? lol

I didn't own the 240 long cuz of the lack of power. this is why I know i cant do a BRZ as my main sports car.

kenchan 02-28-2013 10:48 AM
he's like, then im like, then he's like, then im like... then he goes, and i go, and and...

onzedge 02-28-2013 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2188983)
he's like, then im like, then he's like, then im like... then he goes, and i go, and and...
For sure. Totally. Rad.

2xtreme1 02-28-2013 11:02 AM
I just spent all class reading this thread ..
Damnit.

edub370 02-28-2013 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2188983)
he's like, then im like, then he's like, then im like... then he goes, and i go, and and...
i had that same think happened. he was all :driving:, and i was all :ugh2:

UNKNOWN_370 02-28-2013 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2188919)

Yessir, I agree... At a monthly car meet there used to be 100-150 cars... The meet after the FRS came out, 40 of them showed up, and EVERY SINGLE one of them thought they'd be the only one with it...


At the last meet... I BS you not... 100+
I had my GoPro mounted outside my car in the waterproof case, and you can hear my laughing inside the car at seeing that many FRSs in one place
they had a slow start in dfw, but the last 2 months. I see lots. More than I see 370's.

UNKNOWN_370 02-28-2013 12:03 PM
A hip hop classic reminds me of the BRZ

Public Enemy - Don't Believe The Hype - YouTube

DIGItonium 02-28-2013 12:21 PM
No need to hate on the BRZ/FRS. The loaded price of those cars catch up to our price range, whereas our loaded price range catches up with the Mustang 5.0 range. Z owners saying the BRZ/FRS is weak is like the Mustang 5.0 owners saying our Zs are weak.

I think the cars are really cool, but I wouldn't want to spend more than $20k for one. [boo... inflation]

I'd take one over the Miata, and then strip it down. At least the BRZ/FRS is RWD whereas Nissan wants to bring out an FWD competitor. :shakes head:

m4a1mustang 02-28-2013 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2189273)
No need to hate on the BRZ/FRS. The loaded price of those cars catch up to our price range, whereas our loaded price range catches up with the Mustang 5.0 range. Z owners saying the BRZ/FRS is weak is like the Mustang 5.0 owners saying our Zs are weak.

I think the cars are really cool, but I wouldn't want to spend more than $20k for one. [boo... inflation]

I'd take one over the Miata, and then strip it down. At least the BRZ/FRS is RWD whereas Nissan wants to bring out an FWD competitor. :shakes head:
But you can get a 5.0 for cheaper than the Z?

speedfreek 02-28-2013 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DCNISMO (Post 2188882)
I had a Nismo and now have a 09 CTS-V......I enjoy killing any and all comers in my V. I'm fine with burning 93 octane for "teaching moments"....sometimes it must be done.
That is fine when any and all comers are coming at you. But the ones around here think they are antagonizing me into racing them when in reality I am just trolling them. I did not initiate a race. They were the ones tailgating and jumping their car next to me. I give them a nod and put it to the floor for a couple seconds then let off and go about my day when they floor it and go 100+ down the road while I just laugh. They are helping me in the long run to scout ahead for speed traps :rofl2:

Now if I was boosted :stirthepot:

DIGItonium 02-28-2013 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2189277)
But you can get a 5.0 for cheaper than the Z?
Hi Steve... I didn't check. I thought the Z price range inches closer to the Mustang 5.0, so I thought it offered better performance for the money.

Z370Z011 02-28-2013 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2188903)
When i get the same type of car over and over again pull the same shyt. I occasionally may own a punk or two in a driving-lesson. Last night, I was hungry.
This makes 3 of us! Haha.
I once had someone literally line up next to me for like 4 blocks. Since there was no traffic he just stuck next to me revving his gay little 4banger.. I usually try to stay away from driving dumb.. But boy was i annoyed.. Especially because he couldn't stop staring.. So i had me a good laugh when i left him miles behind in like 2 seconds :) lol

Z370Z011 02-28-2013 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 2189287)
That is fine when any and all comers are coming at you. But the ones around here think they are antagonizing me into racing them when in reality I am just trolling them. I did not initiate a race. They were the ones tailgating and jumping their car next to me. I give them a nod and put it to the floor for a couple seconds then let off and go about my day when they floor it and go 100+ down the road while I just laugh. They are helping me in the long run to scout ahead for speed traps :rofl2:

Now if I was boosted :stirthepot:
Lmao! I love doing that. Ill say "yeah yeah when the light turns green".. And as soon as it turns green they floor it so hard they cant even catch traction (how embarrassing) i just go on about my day. I take off at like 2mph as i have me a good laugh :) lol.

Magic Bus 02-28-2013 02:00 PM
Not a flyby from the car but an attempt by an FRS salesperson.

On Tuesday I had to meet with a client who works in the back office at a local Scion dealership, so I park up front of the dealership in front of 5 FRS's. Young male salesperson approx 25-28 years old comes walking quickly up to me, first words out of his mouth were, "are you thinking about trading that Z in for one of these", points at the FRS's. I thought that was pretty humouros of him, so I laugh and say "thank you but no, I'm here to see my client who works in the back".
Conversation then went like this.
Sales person: "did you test drive the FRS before you bought your Z?"
Me: "yes I did".
Sales person: "and what you'd think about it?"
Me: "I liked it, but just felt it was under powered to suit me".
Sales person: "well you know, you could just turbo it and it would be faster than your Z".
Me: " ahh yes, but then couldn't I turbo the Z as well, and if I did, wouldn't it still be faster than a turboed FRS?"
Sales person: hesitates, then says "I'll call your client for you from the back".

UNKNOWN_370 02-28-2013 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2189273)
No need to hate on the BRZ/FRS. The loaded price of those cars catch up to our price range, whereas our loaded price range catches up with the Mustang 5.0 range. Z owners saying the BRZ/FRS is weak is like the Mustang 5.0 owners saying our Zs are weak.

I think the cars are really cool, but I wouldn't want to spend more than $20k for one. [boo... inflation]

I'd take one over the Miata, and then strip it down. At least the BRZ/FRS is RWD whereas Nissan wants to bring out an FWD competitor. :shakes head:
No hate... Like I said earlier. I think those cars are kewl. Way OVERRATEDand highly OVERPRICED, but they're decent cars. You're pricing schemes are flawed and the quality of a Z at 33k vs a 30k BRZ??? Night and day. There should be a $10k difference between the two, not a $3k difference.
That said. The Z is overpriced by $3grand, so the BRZ... A $20k car

DCNISMO 02-28-2013 03:07 PM
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That is fine when any and all comers are coming at you. But the ones around here think they are antagonizing me into racing them when in reality I am just trolling them. I did not initiate a race. They were the ones tailgating and jumping their car next to me. I give them a nod and put it to the floor for a couple seconds then let off and go about my day when they floor it and go 100+ down the road while I just laugh. They are helping me in the long run to scout ahead for speed traps
I don't actively troll for cars to kill in my V, well maybe D-Bags in M3's and an occasional B8 S4, but spirited driving is fun and killing a FRS or BRZ would make me into a boosted bully. I got killed by a MILF in a X6M while I was out driving the Nismo one day. So it was either boost the Z or get the V. Getting killed by a MILF....ughhh. I went with the V as it was already boosted and I wanted a bit more room. A boosted Z versus a stock V, that would be interesting. I got it in December, with all the cold weather I have yet to really open it up since I have the Pilot Sports and they hate cold weather. I plan to take it to the strip this spring.

cheshirecat 02-28-2013 03:42 PM
the fanboyism is strong in this thread

UNKNOWN_370 02-28-2013 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat (Post 2189627)
the fanboyism is strong in this thread
Would you rather Mustang and vette worship in the Z forum? lol Whats so fanboy about being chastized by low powered cars and being annoyed by it?

MannyD 02-28-2013 03:53 PM
I personally like the looks of the BRZ/FR-S (but not compared to the FR-S concept). I actually was watching the development of the car for years when it was the ft86 but once they finally released the hp/tq/weight numbers I was turned off and went with the Z. Haven't experienced anyone try to line up next to me yet though lol.

cheshirecat 02-28-2013 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2189637)
Would you rather Mustang and vette worship in the Z forum? lol Whats so fanboy about being chastized by low powered cars and being annoyed by it?
Not at all, but I guess an objective conversation about the strengths/weaknesses of certain models isn't going to be found in a forum geared toward a specific model. You're right.

The BRZ is an excellent vehicle. It has it's weaknesses compared to the Z, just as the Z has its weaknesses compared to a Mustang 5.0, which is also an excellent vehicle. That's fine.

However, saying the BRZ is a "rear wheel drive corolla" is pure fanboyism, much like the resulting circlejerk.

speedfreek 02-28-2013 04:31 PM
You can't be politically correct all the time. Lighten up you will live longer. If anyone takes it that serious then I would begin to worry. We are talking about cars. If one doesn't suit your taste good news there are many to try that may tickle your fancy.

Caustic 02-28-2013 04:45 PM
The GT86 is an overpriced car with a weak 4 banger engine. It has the crappiest interior I have ever witnessed. They purposely put low grip tires on it to raise the "thrill" factor. The only reason why it has gotten the attention that is has is because it is a "cheap" rear drive car with a "well sorted" suspension for the equipment that it comes with. A rarity in the modern age.

But that is also the problem. It really isn't that cheap. And what happens when you put real tires on it? All you end up having is a cheap car with a suspension that far outpaces its engine. There goes your fun factor.

Z370Z011 02-28-2013 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Magic Bus (Post 2189471)
ahh yes, but then couldn't I turbo the Z as well, and if I did, wouldn't it still be faster than a turboed FRS?"
Sales person: hesitates, then says "I'll call your client for you from the back".
:tup:

DIGItonium 02-28-2013 08:30 PM
That's right... I can't find myself spending $30k on a N/A 4-banger. Remember the Mugen Civic? Don't get me started on that. The only high dollar N/A 4-bangers I thought were cool back then were the S2000 and the ITR.

Nailzs 02-28-2013 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2188796)
Didn't clarkson hate on the z to? British are brutal
I believe our Z is more reliable than the Ford GT Clarkson once owned.

Eighties Meta 02-28-2013 09:29 PM
I wanted to see how fast a M6 was but he appeared to be laughing and refused to play with me after about 5 seconds so I sauntered back behind him forever wondering how bad an M6 would beat me. Feel my pain.

JungleZ 02-28-2013 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Nailzs (Post 2190155)
I believe our Z is more reliable than the Ford GT Clarkson once owned.
I don't think Clarkson hated on it because of reliability more like because hes comparing it to the more expensive refined Z4, of course thats going to be more comfortable and classier than the Z but it was a stupid comparison. I dont think Z4 buyers would even consider the Z.

mults 03-01-2013 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2188499)
So me and the wife are driving around looking for some grub. (She didn't feel like cookin' last nite.) Short story, Shorter!!

I'm doing about 30mph, this one light goes from green to yellow to red superfast and I was real close to it. I could have slammed the brake but I was really close to the corner and the yellow just hit so I knew I had 2 seconds. What to do? I took the most bad azz right the Z can take and I must have looked kool doin it b4 the light actually went red? Because some Dork azz cornball in a BRZ, I guess observed my abrupt and roll free turn (Thank you Eibach & Swift) and thought Ooooh, potential challenge...
Well my light turned red fast but his green took some time for him to move. On that block I was cruising about 42mph, when this Azzhole in a BRZ does about 65-70mph so he can make a dramatic ricer fly-by.

Ok so I am sooo.... ugh NOT impressed. He' needed 7450rpm's for his cheezy ricer fly-by??? Do it to a Civic rice boy. When you can beat a gencoupe 2.0's around a track? WHICH THEY CANT. Then challenge 3.8's and v6 mustangs, when you beat them, Then challenge Z's you lower life-form.

We hit a light, I'm on the far right, he's on the far left. Light turns green and traffic is in front of us. He tries to make some fancy moves around cars and goes fast, gets about half a block ahead. Then dramatically slows down So when the light turns red we're next to each other...

I guess he thought his Greddy intake and exhaust was good for 100hp. Mind you he's on those weak azz stock tires and his car is Dirtier than Governor Christie's Shyt stained drawz...

I was so annoyed. I was supposed to go straight and and then get on the highway to another area where there are restaurants. Made a right instead and dealt with street traffic so I didn't have to be next to that cornball...

That was my first BRZ, that had come around me acting like a Civic driver. You expect it from a Civic. But from a BRZ owner. You want to get out the car and pimp-slap him around like the lil bytch he is...
"Where's mah munneyy ho-azz Bytch. Gimmie that toy car and I'll sell it at it's real value.... $20 grand. lol

Thats my first BRZ challenge story.
I don't think it matters what you are driving, there will ALWAYS be someone trying to prove that their car is better than yours. In 94, I purchased a Pontiac Firebird Formula and within 1 mile from the dealership on the ride home, I had a Mustang GT pull up next to me at a stop light. When the light turned green, he took off like the cops were after him. I looked at my wife and said, "I told you that was going to happen by a Mustang" and I was right. This doesn't happen much any more, but I had to teach a Porsche Boxter a lesson (with the same Formula) when he tried to accelerate past me at a toll road exit. He thought that his car was "bada$$", but when I walked by him, he was like :eek:. Back then it was the Pontiac, and now it's the Z. Next time it will be whatever else I have. At my age, stuff like this doesn't bother me anymore as I just let them think they are cool. All I can say now is :gtfo2:

shadoquad 03-01-2013 07:36 AM
UNKNOWN, you did the right thing by not engaging him. Regardless of the make and model of car, guys like this are itching for trouble at the expense of random innocent drivers and pedestrians.

It is also twice as funny when the car in question is not as fast in a straight line. This is no knock on the BRZ, but bone stock it's not winning many drag races. That's just not what the car was built for. It was built for the twisties.

Cmike2780 03-01-2013 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2190172)
I don't think Clarkson hated on it because of reliability more like because hes comparing it to the more expensive refined Z4, of course thats going to be more comfortable and classier than the Z but it was a stupid comparison. I dont think Z4 buyers would even consider the Z.
That's because the Z4 is a girl's car :stirthepot:

seriously though, the Z4 is nice, but it's not that impressive. I'd rather go for the 3 series. Not to mention BMW's are crap in terms of reliability. They're great new cars, but I always hesistate buying a used one. Too many bad stories.

UNKNOWN_370 03-01-2013 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2190578)
That's because the Z4 is a girl's car :stirthepot:

seriously though, the Z4 is nice, but it's not that impressive. I'd rather go for the 3 series. Not to mention BMW's are crap in terms of reliability. They're great new cars, but I always hesistate buying a used one. Too many bad stories.
Agreed. If the Z is GT sports? Then the Z4 is straight GT. It's a smooth little, great handling car. But the Z makes for a more entertaining and serious feeling sports car.

cheshirecat 03-01-2013 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2190578)
That's because the Z4 is a girl's car :stirthepot:
seriously though, the Z4 is nice, but it's not that impressive. I'd rather go for the 3 series. Not to mention BMW's are crap in terms of reliability. They're great new cars, but I always hesistate buying a used one. Too many bad stories.
Eh, from what I've seen, it really depends on the model. Each one has their own issues. Earlier versions of i-drive are an absolute nightmare.

IMO, the 135 as well as the 335 is an excellent car, especially the earlier models with the straight-six twin turbo. Forged internals from the factory, completely bulletproof engine.

RonZwanson 03-01-2013 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2190640)
Agreed. If the Z is GT sports? Then the Z4 is straight GT. It's a smooth little, great handling car. But the Z makes for a more entertaining and serious feeling sports car.
If I remember right, Clarkson didn't HATE the 370. He hated the 350. His comments on the 370 were that he liked the performance, but it was too rough around the edges for his old British arse. (Engine noise, stiff ride) That's what a lot of senior citizens say about it. If you're used to driving around in a Benz, then yeah, the Z is going to be like driving a box truck in terms of comfort.

I agree that the Z4 is kind of a nancy car. It's BMW's Miata. May be a great driving car, but it definitely lacks macho appeal.

cheshirecat 03-01-2013 11:58 AM
I would say the VQ is definitely a harsh engine up top- not just for senior citizens, but for the motoring world in general.

It's an impressive mill, but smooth up top it is not.

Mt Tam I am 03-01-2013 12:34 PM
I raced against a BRZ at Sears Point. Yes it is a good handling car but not anything to worry about in our 370Z's. The BRZ often held up traffic, but was by no means the slowest car on the track. That went to a Mini Cooper.

I have film somewhere of this event.

DR_ 03-01-2013 12:44 PM
^ that's more driver than car. I can go out in a Mini Cooper and pass everyone in the green (first time at track) run group.
I've instructed a couple guys in FRS/BRZ and I've been very impressed with the car.

Mt Tam I am 03-01-2013 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DR_ (Post 2191172)
^ that's more driver than car. I can go out in a Mini Cooper and pass everyone in the green (first time at track) run group.
I've instructed a couple guys in FRS/BRZ and I've been very impressed with the car.
True enough.

What would you turn faster lap times in: a Mini, a BRZ or a 370Z?

cossie1600 03-01-2013 12:57 PM
Car seems very tailhappy for some reason, must be the Prius tires. Thanks drifters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21jBuMIgVig

dP3NGU1N 03-01-2013 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat (Post 2189691)
Not at all, but I guess an objective conversation about the strengths/weaknesses of certain models isn't going to be found in a forum geared toward a specific model. You're right.

The BRZ is an excellent vehicle. It has it's weaknesses compared to the Z, just as the Z has its weaknesses compared to a Mustang 5.0, which is also an excellent vehicle. That's fine.

However, saying the BRZ is a "rear wheel drive corolla" is pure fanboyism, much like the resulting circlejerk.
Well.... the car IS based on the original corolla :ugh2: They eluded to it so many times during its development so I don't see what's wrong with calling it a corolla now.

kenchan 03-01-2013 01:05 PM
the corolla is like a gasoline only version of a prius.


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