2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

RoshDawg · 01-10-2013, 02:04 AM

Full List by Times
Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9
Lexus LFA - 2.55.1
Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5
Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0
Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6
Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5
Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1
Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2
Audi RS5 - 3.04.3
BMW M6 - 3.04.7
BMW M5 - 3.05.2
Audi S6 - 3.09.8
BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2
Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9
Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8
Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6
Ford Focus St - 3.21.4
Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0
Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3

What are your guys' thoughts on these lap times?
I feel like this event every year shows a lot of upsets! Such as a Boxster S beating a 2013 M6??
Check out this link too: Lightning Lap 2012 - - Car and Driver
For example, a Cayman R beat a 911 Turbo??

Any other upsets you guys see?

DEpointfive0 · 01-10-2013, 02:33 AM

Such a fail that the 370Z is .5 seconds quicker than a 350Z

But I'm happy the ISF beat the M3, which is a surprise, but I have one, so happy me!

EDIT... Same exact time, lol

MC · 01-10-2013, 03:20 AM

i always follow this as i do a good amount of tracking up at VIR (full course not the grand course like the test) so I looked at this a few weeks ago and my thoughts were the two things for the 2013 group... #1 the LFA did about what i would have guessed and that #2 damn ferrari must have brought out one of their special 458s for the test lol. that car pulling a 2:49 and beating a Zr1 time that was on Michelin cup tires just seems crazy. I would have pegged the car to be around 2:52-2:53 based on how it usually stacks up in other tests like this.

other thought was the ZL1 camaro had a solid time i would have guessed it right at or just squeezing in under the 3 min mark

RoshDawg · 01-10-2013, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MC

i always follow this as i do a good amount of tracking up at VIR (full course not the grand course like the test) so I looked at this a few weeks ago and my thoughts were the two things for the 2013 group... #1 the LFA did about what i would have guessed and that #2 damn ferrari must have brought out one of their special 458s for the test lol. that car pulling a 2:49 and beating a Zr1 time that was on Michelin cup tires just seems crazy. I would have pegged the car to be around 2:52-2:53 based on how it usually stacks up in other tests like this.

other thought was the ZL1 camaro had a solid time i would have guessed it right at or just squeezing in under the 3 min mark

I agree on the Ferrari thing. You can never trust a single Ferrari lap time from a car magazine with all their cheating. Poor car magazines have to go along with it though or they can't drive a Ferrari again!

RoshDawg · 01-10-2013, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Such a fail that the 370Z is .5 seconds quicker than a 350Z

But I'm happy the ISF beat the M3, which is a surprise, but I have one, so happy me!

EDIT... Same exact time, lol

Seriously! Wtf!! Just doesn't make sense to me..

nuTinmuch · 01-10-2013, 06:33 AM

SS 1LE

Talk about underrated.

DCNISMO · 01-10-2013, 09:09 AM

My 09 CTS-V still beats the new M6, that's what I like. Go look at the list as tabulated from 2008 to include all times up to 2013.

bdavis89 · 01-10-2013, 09:44 AM

Makes me want a Mustang 5.0...I got the 370z because I liked the feel of it better, but dang..

kenchan · 01-10-2013, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Such a fail that the 370Z is .5 seconds quicker than a 350Z

But I'm happy the ISF beat the M3, which is a surprise, but I have one, so happy me!

EDIT... Same exact time, lol

you should be able to get better time just by getting grippier tires, no?

lemon-fresh · 01-10-2013, 10:33 AM

Wow, 370 failed hard... Sigh. Might as well just buy the 5.0 now.

DEpointfive0 · 01-10-2013, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

you should be able to get better time just by getting grippier tires, no?

I don't know if you're talking about the 370 v 350

Or ISF v M3. Lol

The ISF IS a slower car around a track, so I'm amazed it got by in the same time actually

bigsix · 01-10-2013, 11:56 AM

What I find most interesting is how fast the Camaro ZL1 is b/w Ferrari and Mercedes AMG . . .

ImportConvert · 01-11-2013, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoshDawg

Full List by Times
Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9 Suprised.
Lexus LFA - 2.55.1 Surprised.
Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5 I figured it would trounce the GT500.
Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0 Total power slut. Figured.
Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9 Good on it! A great car.
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6 Yeah, all that extra power didn't improve things much. Suspensionfail, and more importantly, passenger-car tire sizing fail.
Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5 Wow! The suspension really made a difference!
Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1 No opinion.
Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2 Similar acceleration to the 370Z, totally killed it's time. Underscores my opinion of the 370Z's suspension and dynamics. Horrible, difficult to control over anything but a billiard-table, and not very good for sweeping corners.
Audi RS5 - 3.04.3 Impressive.
BMW M6 - 3.04.7 We all knew it was a touring car.
BMW M5 - 3.05.2 See above.
Audi S6 - 3.09.8 Touring car.
BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2 Disappointing.
Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9 About what I thought.
Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8 Oink oink!
Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6 About what I figured. 2008 S2000 CR did 3:15.0...wait for the STI model to compete with that.
Ford Focus St - 3.21.4 Cool.
Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0 I care, why?
Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3 See above.

What are your guys' thoughts on these lap times?
I feel like this event every year shows a lot of upsets! Such as a Boxster S beating a 2013 M6??
Check out this link too: Lightning Lap 2012 - - Car and Driver
For example, a Cayman R beat a 911 Turbo??

Any other upsets you guys see?

My thoughts.

shadoquad · 01-11-2013, 08:38 AM

Lap times don't really matter to me, especially in a mag. I read the article on print. "meh"

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-11-2013, 08:40 AM

Anyone notice the 3.13.8 for the gencoupe R-spec & 3.17.5 for the infiniti Gcoupe sport???
Not good.

I think the 370z sport needs to be on here. It's 150lbs lighter, the 9/10 staggers are perfect for track vs the 9.5/10.5 borderline overkill for taking corners. And the sport Z should be equipped with RE-11's. Since Nissan keeps hiking the prices on the Z for almost no reason. The least they coulda done was upgrade the stock tires.
Z suspension is easily improved cheaply. Unfortunately though. That can't be done for the lightning lap. The Z potential is much higher than whats on paper here. The Nismo is overkill for this type of tracking.

01-10-2013, 02:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
RoshDawg Track Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: NM / CA Posts: 981 Drives: '13 911 C2S Rep Power: 16	2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap Full List by Times Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9 Lexus LFA - 2.55.1 Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5 Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0 Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9 Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6 Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5 Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1 Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2 Audi RS5 - 3.04.3 BMW M6 - 3.04.7 BMW M5 - 3.05.2 Audi S6 - 3.09.8 BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9 Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8 Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6 Ford Focus St - 3.21.4 Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0 Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3 What are your guys' thoughts on these lap times? I feel like this event every year shows a lot of upsets! Such as a Boxster S beating a 2013 M6?? Check out this link too: Lightning Lap 2012 - - Car and Driver For example, a Cayman R beat a 911 Turbo?? Any other upsets you guys see? __________________ \| EVO X MR \| '11 WRX STI \| 370Z SPRT \| 911 (991) C2S \|

01-10-2013, 03:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
MC Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NC Posts: 3,238 Drives: 2015 GTR NISMO Rep Power: 24	i always follow this as i do a good amount of tracking up at VIR (full course not the grand course like the test) so I looked at this a few weeks ago and my thoughts were the two things for the 2013 group... #1 the LFA did about what i would have guessed and that #2 damn ferrari must have brought out one of their special 458s for the test lol. that car pulling a 2:49 and beating a Zr1 time that was on Michelin cup tires just seems crazy. I would have pegged the car to be around 2:52-2:53 based on how it usually stacks up in other tests like this. other thought was the ZL1 camaro had a solid time i would have guessed it right at or just squeezing in under the 3 min mark RoshDawg likes this. __________________ 2015 GT-R N1SMO "THE ONE" Instagram MCGTRN1SMO Youtube MCGTRNISMO Last edited by MC; 01-10-2013 at 03:25 AM.

01-10-2013, 06:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
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01-10-2013, 10:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
lemon-fresh Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Calgary Age: 40 Posts: 471 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 14	Wow, 370 failed hard... Sigh. Might as well just buy the 5.0 now. DEpointfive0 likes this. Last edited by lemon-fresh; 01-10-2013 at 10:40 AM.

01-10-2013, 02:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
DEpointfive0 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,824 Drives: a lot Rep Power: 17152	Such a fail that the 370Z is .5 seconds quicker than a 350Z But I'm happy the ISF beat the M3, which is a surprise, but I have one, so happy me! EDIT... Same exact time, lol

01-10-2013, 09:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	My 09 CTS-V still beats the new M6, that's what I like. Go look at the list as tabulated from 2008 to include all times up to 2013.

01-10-2013, 11:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
bigsix A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,227 Drives: Honda City/Mazda 2 Rep Power: 19	What I find most interesting is how fast the Camaro ZL1 is b/w Ferrari and Mercedes AMG . . .

01-11-2013, 08:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3887	Lap times don't really matter to me, especially in a mag. I read the article on print. "meh" 370Zsteve likes this.

01-11-2013, 08:40 AM	#15 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Anyone notice the 3.13.8 for the gencoupe R-spec & 3.17.5 for the infiniti Gcoupe sport??? Not good. I think the 370z sport needs to be on here. It's 150lbs lighter, the 9/10 staggers are perfect for track vs the 9.5/10.5 borderline overkill for taking corners. And the sport Z should be equipped with RE-11's. Since Nissan keeps hiking the prices on the Z for almost no reason. The least they coulda done was upgrade the stock tires. Z suspension is easily improved cheaply. Unfortunately though. That can't be done for the lightning lap. The Z potential is much higher than whats on paper here. The Nismo is overkill for this type of tracking. RoshDawg likes this.

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