Mitsubishi motors a dying brand in US?
 

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there goes the evo :/

start watching at 1:00

What do they make that anyone wants? They had the new eclipse, which was underpowered and overweight. The lancer is a niche market to begin with. The galant is meh at best. And then a couple crossovers. :shrug: wouldn't miss them.

And I hate rubber band engines.

It's a shame really, they were on to something great back in the 90's with their lancer evolution and eclipse. They ditched the turbo awd eclipse in favor of a fwd v-6 that was pig heavy. The lancer evolution also got large and pricey. While the evo is a great performer, it is a niche car like frost mentioned. and the lancer, well it's not competitive in interior space, design, features or power in its price range. Lancer's direct rival Subaru Impreza comes awd standard on the base model.

Mitsu failure to keep up with times and innovate instead of playing keep up

I still long for the old DSM days.... To dream....

W/o the Evo, Mitsubishi will have a hard time competing w/ their Japanese rivals.

They only have one car and its the evo.

That whole company is trash, cars look ugly.

The evo 9 was the last true Mitsubishi in my eyes

Their dealerships also hire some of the rudest and cockiest little ******** i've ever met in my life. I think there's a reason why the Mitsu dealership at Cerritos automall (LA area) is on the outskirts and on the other side of a major street while the other dealerships are all fairly close knit.

On a side note, that white dude in the video really needs to blink once in a while. It's creepy.

I was actually a little surprise to hear about the financial troubles Mitsubishi is in. I wonder if they'll be able to rebound after restructuring or they'll go under for good?

mazda won't be far behind...

i honestly feel honda will die soon, sure their cars are popular(kind of) but they havent changed since the 90's, they are still loud, they sound like **** even stock, there is a lot of road noise and their cars are very basic in terms of features
their biggest competitor toyota at least changed their sedans to being quite, nicer looking then their 90's counter part, and they come loaded with features plus with their hybrid marketing campaign, everyone and their grandma has wanted a hybrid car, even though a 2.5 altima cvt will get better gas milage then a camry hybrid

Doubt it, Ford still invests in Mazda (a bit less now) and they will be first to market in the US of the Japanese companies with a diesel motor.

A restructure may buy them time, but selling cars is the name of the game, and they aren't selling cars.

:iagree: The 3 is actually a nice little car, too. It actually gets its claimed 40mpg and is fun to drive for a putt putt

The Miata is the best selling sports car, maybe ever, and a new one is on its way soon.

They've attacked the crossover market and are doing fairly well there. And the new 6 is getting positive reviews.

I don't see Mazda in much danger.

Mitsu has been dying for the last decade or so. They just make crap motors.

You don't have a clue. Honda builds great appliances, which is what 99% of buyers want. They have however lost the enthusiasts to other brands because their lack of fun cars.

Honda also has powers ports

Motorcycle, watersports stuff. They are far from dead and won't die lol

This is a garbage reply this belongs in a Mitsubishi lot.

cool story bro

got another one to tell?

i guess that is what i meant, honda doesnt make anything that wows enthusiast anymore, the S2K was alright but it didnt have any power until 4k rpm, there will always be rice rocket civics though, and i dont think that will change
honestly i dont see a reason to buy a honda, when i was looking for a DD, i did give honda a try, but the 2012 civic sucks(noisy especially after vtec, lacking in power, and uncomfortable) and the 2012 accord wasnt any better

ON TOPIC:
Mitsubishi stopped producing the evo, i have a feeling they will go under for sure in the next few years unless they make some GSX eclipse again and price it in a good range

What, 27/38 mpg beats 43/39 mpg?

Ford sold most of their shares a few years back...

i dont know about you, but my 3.5 altima 5AT averages 25mpg mostly city, and my friend with the 2.5 altima averages 38mpg, i stopped paper comparing mpg cause most of those tests are rigged to get the best scores(just look at the hyundai mess), like i can go almost 400 miles to a tank on my Z(depends on how hard i step on it but i usually get anywhere between 20-22 mpg)
heck even on my old gst eclipse i could get 27mpg if i stayed out of boost and that was rated for 15/18 iirc

sure, it looks nice buying a car that has a piece of paper that says 50mpg, but in all reality it comes down to real world data
its kind of like paper racing, you can buy a hyundai genesis 3.8 r-spec and have a car with 348hp 290tq and have one of the worst performing cars out there, or you can buy a Z, G, E46M3, ect. and get a better performing car with less HP on paper

The thing is with Toyota you don't have to try to achieve those mpg.

You don't gotta drive like a bitch to save gas. You just drive normal and the Prius will yield good numbers.

How do I know? My two friends has a 2010 and 2012, there is no paper dreaming mpg, these cars actually achieve those ratings.

Ask yourself why you can't drive down the streets without seeing 10'of them? It's because toyota really do have the mpg tech on lock. Don't tell me people buy them for looks, cause that **** is ugly.

Then again this why they will survive. The market for enthusiasts and sports cars isn't big. Why do you think Toyota abandoned making anything up until the frs as of late. Honda also went away cause the market isn't there. People in this time is looking for mpg and reliability. And Honda has that.

Things may change with the frs / brz since those are hot sellers, maybe Honda can race out the Crz or Nissan can revive the Silvia

True, but a 3% stake in a company is still huge, not quite the almost 20% in the 90s but the last CEO was big on removing debt. They still share tech & development across the board which gives Mazda a nice advantage over other Japanese companies trying to pursue new tech that others have already developed and R&D costs.

Mitsubishi has deep pockets. They are talking about the North American brand, but Mitsubishi makes everything from TVs, electronics to fighter jets, ships, building equipment. The motor division is just one of the smaller things they do. I am sure they will shake it up here in the future they tend to go in cycles.


Honda will be around forever and may win the auto war. Honda is a racing company that happens to build cars they have there hands in just about everything like Mitsubishi. Acura is also Honda, out side the US there is no such thing as Acura.

My lexus hybrid gets 28mpg city, and it is a 5000lbs beast. My Prius can do 45 to 55 mpg, no Altima isn't touching that. The highway mileage difference is smaller, but the hybrids help so much in the city that you aren't making up for it. Hyundai has to pay up for lying about the numbers, Toyota doesn't.

I believe they own over 30%, but big enough to be controlling interesting. In the US, Mazda basically gets left over ford parts. (Cx9 and 3). The newer stuff are mainly in house that Mazda developed and what they use exclusively. Matter of fact, Mazda signed an agreement to source toyotas HSD rather than fords Eco drive

The 30% ownership was in the 90s, they sold about 22% in the early 2000s because Ford CEO saw the crash coming and wanted debt off the books and then went down to 3% in 2008. Maintaining a strategic partnership and helping with R&D costs. Mazda is estimated to save on average 9 million a year with the tech they borrow from Ford so while they do use license other tech Ford is their go to still.

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I have owned a Mazda speed 3 and currently own a Mazda 9 SUV. both are great car for the money

Honda isn't going anywhere. They abandoned the enthusiast market, yes. But they don't need it. They make A to B cars now.

Its terribly sad if you ask me. Mitsubishi had the first Turbocharged ecu tunable successful sports car. The 1982 Mitsubishi Starion was an affordable sports car marvel. The Starion went from RWD to FWD/AWD in the mitsubishi eclipse in 1990 but was a highly respectable sports car till 1999.
If Mitsu would go back to the 90's formula of sports car making, they will instantly become leaders in the tuner segment. The Evo x, while its a great performing car. Has certain traits that limits the consumer buy-ability of this car. The new eclipse has no capability whatsoever and is basically a snazzy grocery getter. Mitsu fell off and it doesn't have to be this way. They know what it takes to make a great performance platform. They,re just not making any real effort to do so.

No they didn't. The Civic Si and CRZ are Performance marvels. :roflpuke2:

CRZ... what a waste. That would have been a cool car if they put a K series in it but it's the sport-hybrid nonsense.

Civic Si... I liked them up until the latest refresh.

where do you live though? here in socal, prius owners average 35-38mpg, same with camry hybrid owners(asked a few owners myself and i remember reading a news article about it a few years back) because of all the hills san diego has

dont get me wrong, those hybrids are amazing for city driving but depending on where you live and work here, you can be doing more highway driving then city driving(which is why i go off average mpg instead of paper or just city/highway drivers)

agreed, the CRZ was a failure to be what honda wanted it to be, it doesnt compare to the CRX at all
the civic si however, i feel those are always going to be the riceboys first choice when buying cars, heck honda saved them some $$$ by slapping vtec stickers all over the thing, if the SI was clean like the regular civic, i wouldnt hate it as much(i just hate the civic in general) but honda just had to slap iVTEC stickers on it

....looks at Speed3, looks at Focus ST...keeps mouth shut





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I like the Civic for what it is. I had an '06 sedan as a practical car. I wouldn't mind having an si sedan in that body style... but only without all the boy racer graphics and body treatments.

Your friends with the Priuses should get them checked out... My best friend who has a prius BEATS that car and drives faster than I do around town and he averages 40-45MPG, when he slows down to take his mom to and from the hospital usually he gets right around 50... That SOB...

On the freeway he gets about 42-45

(Just asked for his numbers, and he has a 2007 with 132k miles)

The Evo X is awesome, not gonna lie, I TRIED to buy one of those before the 370, but no where had one and the least modified one was modified to high hell... So it was a no go from me...

If Mitsubishi kicks the bucket I don't think I'd care... Nice knowing you and all, I liked the 3000GT, but feel free to GTFO

In spite of what some people think about the Evo. If we lost it? The sports car market would become so much less competitive and we'd start seeing crappier sports cars as a whole. The evo is one of the most important sports cars out there just because at $38k you can have one of the most advanced AWD systems as well as the most advanced DCT transmission in the price range, Add in the Brembo pkg, recaro's etc... This car is the wildcard price to feature competitor to many different types of sports cars. It sets a performance bar that hasn't been met in the price range in spite of its shytty interior.

Agree, but they sure do have great racing programs.

I live in the hills of New England and I drive it like a normal car. The only way a normal car can touch the hybrid's fuel mileage is on the highway at a very high speed. The faster you go in a hybrid, the less efficient they are. At 75mph cruise, it gets 42-44mpg no matter what you do. Also there are over three generators of hybrid and they are different types depending on year, you can't just assume all are the same. The new Camry Hybrid is a completely different system than the previous generators, it's like 10-20% more fuel efficient. Also not all hybrids are slow. Porsche and VW built performance hybrid powertrains. Lexus has hybrids over 300HP.

Respectable to who? They sold a lot of them, but they were basically Chrysler Sebring with a better powertrain. They were like the Mustangs from Japan, oh wait, they weren't built in Japan, heck they weren't even sold in Japan.