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FairladyZ 12-28-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2081801)

Respectable to who? They sold a lot of them, but they were basically Chrysler Sebring with a better powertrain. They were like the Mustangs from Japan, oh wait, they weren't built in Japan, heck they weren't even sold in Japan.


You lost me here? The evo was sold in Japan.

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2081801)
Agree, but they sure do have great racing programs.



I live in the hills of New England and I drive it like a normal car. The only way a normal car can touch the hybrid's fuel mileage is on the highway at a very high speed. The faster you go in a hybrid, the less efficient they are. At 75mph cruise, it gets 42-44mpg no matter what you do. Also there are over three generators of hybrid and they are different types depending on year, you can't just assume all are the same. The new Camry Hybrid is a completely different system than the previous generators, it's like 10-20% more fuel efficient. Also not all hybrids are slow. Porsche and VW built performance hybrid powertrains. Lexus has hybrids over 300HP.



Respectable to who? They sold a lot of them, but they were basically Chrysler Sebring with a better powertrain. They were like the Mustangs from Japan, oh wait, they weren't built in Japan, heck they weren't even sold in Japan.



WTF are you talking about????

FairladyZ 12-28-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2081940)
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WTF are you talking about????


Yeah he was fine until that last paragraph, he doesn't know wtf he's saying lol

cossie1600 12-28-2012 03:43 PM

Mitsubishi eclipse. one of the most overrated car of all time

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2081973)
Mitsubishi eclipse. one of the most overrated car of all time

Not for the time it wasn't. And I was talking about the Starions that were built in Nyogi and Aichi Japan. @ $19k the eclipse gsx (which is the one to get) was a lot of car for the money and highly tunable.

Your comments are about 9 years ahead from the starions.

theDreamer 12-31-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2081973)
Mitsubishi eclipse. one of the most overrated car of all time

:facepalm:

cossie1600 12-31-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2081991)
Not for the time it wasn't. And I was talking about the Starions that were built in Nyogi and Aichi Japan. @ $19k the eclipse gsx (which is the one to get) was a lot of car for the money and highly tunable.

Your comments are about 9 years ahead from the starions.

Not arguing with you over the Starion, I am just saying the Eclipse was an overrated car. It was a cheap coupe with a little turbo and awd, it was almost like our current Scion TC with a different powertrain configuration. Car was never known to be a great driver or great handler, it was just popular because of the modify crowd.

Cmike2780 12-31-2012 01:00 PM

I like the Evo 10 and always wanted a 3000GT VR-4. It would be sad to see the company go, even though their lineup is a bit of a let down these days.

The 2nd gen Eclipse wasn't really the best at anything, but it was a relatively affordable "sporty" two-door that looked really great. The mid to late 90's wasn't exactly the best years for sports cars considering this was introduced just as the 300ZX, RX-7 & Supra were saying their goodbye's in North America. If you look back at when the Eclipse was worth looking at, you'd see there wasn't a lot to choose from. This had the styling of a Japanese import without the pricetag of the true sports cars. The 3rd and 4th generation Eclipse just flat out tried too hard and look like crap. They destroyed the one thing going for it, the design.

UNKNOWN_370 12-31-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2086838)
Not arguing with you over the Starion, I am just saying the Eclipse was an overrated car. It was a cheap coupe with a little turbo and awd, it was almost like our current Scion TC with a different powertrain configuration. Car was never known to be a great driver or great handler, it was just popular because of the modify crowd.

Yeah but you highlighted my post and ranted about the eclipse when all i mentioned about the eclipse was that the starion was transformed into the eclipse. The very first gen eclipse wasn't bad. In the early 90's, most cars in the $14k-21k range sucked. Most muscle cars with sub 7 second 60 times were about $25k.
Most japanese imports that were worth buying cost between $30-50k, Entry level bimmers of the time handled like a dream but were slow and entry level was $25k.
The initial eclipse models in turbo form hit 60 in about 6.7 seconds with a high 14 quarter and had all wheel drive and cost about 19k, 6k lower than the comp. Turbos were small but piping was there, and upgrading those types of cars pre-Fast & Furious was cheap. Mitsu was looked down upon by most upper middle class citizens of the day who expected out the box power and simple mods for big gains...

Guys who didn't mind elbow grease. Can do some damage with the early eclipse with a little bit of money. NOT saying mitsu's were track Gods... but if well modified? They held there own. Were decent handlers and for budget conscious car buyers they served its pupose. That's why I called the starion and early eclipses resptectable.

Shamu 12-31-2012 01:57 PM

Both Suzuki and Mitsubishi have truly failed in US market. They never really found sustainable niche. Being cheaper Honda or Toyota isn't sustainable strategy. Evo was about only thing Mitsubishi did well but they never really capitalized on that cars success. And never did anything to grow brand.

UNKNOWN_370 12-31-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 2087091)
Both Suzuki and Mitsubishi have truly failed in US market. They never really found sustainable niche. Being cheaper Honda or Toyota isn't sustainable strategy. Evo was about only thing Mitsubishi did well but they never really capitalized on that cars success. And never did anything to grow brand.


Thats very true... But, this country without the Evo would lose an important entry in the sports car arena. The Evo is highly underrated as a AWD sport entry. I don't want to see it go. Suzuki, There motorcycles do damage here but there cars, they just don't compete well compared to other Asian brands.


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