You don't have a clue. Honda builds great appliances, which is what 99% of buyers want. They have however lost the enthusiasts to other brands because their lack of fun cars.

Honda also has powers ports

Motorcycle, watersports stuff. They are far from dead and won't die lol

This is a garbage reply this belongs in a Mitsubishi lot.

cool story bro

got another one to tell?

i guess that is what i meant, honda doesnt make anything that wows enthusiast anymore, the S2K was alright but it didnt have any power until 4k rpm, there will always be rice rocket civics though, and i dont think that will change
honestly i dont see a reason to buy a honda, when i was looking for a DD, i did give honda a try, but the 2012 civic sucks(noisy especially after vtec, lacking in power, and uncomfortable) and the 2012 accord wasnt any better

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Mitsubishi stopped producing the evo, i have a feeling they will go under for sure in the next few years unless they make some GSX eclipse again and price it in a good range

What, 27/38 mpg beats 43/39 mpg?

Ford sold most of their shares a few years back...

i dont know about you, but my 3.5 altima 5AT averages 25mpg mostly city, and my friend with the 2.5 altima averages 38mpg, i stopped paper comparing mpg cause most of those tests are rigged to get the best scores(just look at the hyundai mess), like i can go almost 400 miles to a tank on my Z(depends on how hard i step on it but i usually get anywhere between 20-22 mpg)
heck even on my old gst eclipse i could get 27mpg if i stayed out of boost and that was rated for 15/18 iirc

sure, it looks nice buying a car that has a piece of paper that says 50mpg, but in all reality it comes down to real world data
its kind of like paper racing, you can buy a hyundai genesis 3.8 r-spec and have a car with 348hp 290tq and have one of the worst performing cars out there, or you can buy a Z, G, E46M3, ect. and get a better performing car with less HP on paper

The thing is with Toyota you don't have to try to achieve those mpg.

You don't gotta drive like a bitch to save gas. You just drive normal and the Prius will yield good numbers.

How do I know? My two friends has a 2010 and 2012, there is no paper dreaming mpg, these cars actually achieve those ratings.

Ask yourself why you can't drive down the streets without seeing 10'of them? It's because toyota really do have the mpg tech on lock. Don't tell me people buy them for looks, cause that **** is ugly.

Then again this why they will survive. The market for enthusiasts and sports cars isn't big. Why do you think Toyota abandoned making anything up until the frs as of late. Honda also went away cause the market isn't there. People in this time is looking for mpg and reliability. And Honda has that.

Things may change with the frs / brz since those are hot sellers, maybe Honda can race out the Crz or Nissan can revive the Silvia

True, but a 3% stake in a company is still huge, not quite the almost 20% in the 90s but the last CEO was big on removing debt. They still share tech & development across the board which gives Mazda a nice advantage over other Japanese companies trying to pursue new tech that others have already developed and R&D costs.

Mitsubishi has deep pockets. They are talking about the North American brand, but Mitsubishi makes everything from TVs, electronics to fighter jets, ships, building equipment. The motor division is just one of the smaller things they do. I am sure they will shake it up here in the future they tend to go in cycles.


Honda will be around forever and may win the auto war. Honda is a racing company that happens to build cars they have there hands in just about everything like Mitsubishi. Acura is also Honda, out side the US there is no such thing as Acura.

My lexus hybrid gets 28mpg city, and it is a 5000lbs beast. My Prius can do 45 to 55 mpg, no Altima isn't touching that. The highway mileage difference is smaller, but the hybrids help so much in the city that you aren't making up for it. Hyundai has to pay up for lying about the numbers, Toyota doesn't.

I believe they own over 30%, but big enough to be controlling interesting. In the US, Mazda basically gets left over ford parts. (Cx9 and 3). The newer stuff are mainly in house that Mazda developed and what they use exclusively. Matter of fact, Mazda signed an agreement to source toyotas HSD rather than fords Eco drive

The 30% ownership was in the 90s, they sold about 22% in the early 2000s because Ford CEO saw the crash coming and wanted debt off the books and then went down to 3% in 2008. Maintaining a strategic partnership and helping with R&D costs. Mazda is estimated to save on average 9 million a year with the tech they borrow from Ford so while they do use license other tech Ford is their go to still.

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I have owned a Mazda speed 3 and currently own a Mazda 9 SUV. both are great car for the money

Honda isn't going anywhere. They abandoned the enthusiast market, yes. But they don't need it. They make A to B cars now.