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Old 04-10-2013, 09:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Ford Pushes 2200 lbs and hasn't come close to being at it's limits yet. A guy on the Mazdaspeed forum is modding his ST with a big turbo and has hit 330 hp w/o a special tune. He thinks he can hit 400 on the stock internal fuel system....time will tell.
I don't understand how you modify the actual turbo without tuning properly. Hope he doesn't blow it up. Changing turbos and upping boost will likely play hell with the fuel system to some point, so I guess he will find out exactly how far it can go. Hopefully it works out for the best, but my instincts say otherwise.
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I don't understand how you modify the actual turbo without tuning properly. Hope he doesn't blow it up. Changing turbos and upping boost will likely play hell with the fuel system to some point, so I guess he will find out exactly how far it can go. Hopefully it works out for the best, but my instincts say otherwise.
I think he used a standard ST COBB stg II solution. Basically hasn't push the hardware yet. He is working directly with COBB on the tune now, says it's quite different than the way the MS3 does things. He pushed his MS3 to 0ver 500 hp on a stock block so the guy's got a bit of street cred already.

Link to his thread and what he's found so far if you're interested....
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...rbo-st-135643/
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It's a 23k hot hatch. Do you not understand the purpose of different vehicles, or do you just expect every car to be built from the factory for track use?
Dont take my word just look at what other reviewers have said about this Ford crap box. If I was in market for 20 MPG torque steering 3200 lb pig of an econobox I'd be in line for ST for sure!

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The Ford struggles to get the power down in adverse conditions and tends to describe a ragged line when the visor drops, and its manual gearbox is not as efficient as VW's dual-clutch layout.


Despite these grand promises, the RS was notorious for excessive steering fight, so it does not come as a huge surprise that the ST displays similar tendencies.


The bad news is that the turning circle is more F-150 than Focus. At 39.4 feet, the ST, which is shod with eighteen-inch tires, needs three more feet to move between curbs than its lesser stablemates. The turning circle of the Volkswagen is a commendably tight 35.8 feet -- so much smaller than the Ford's that you'd even notice the difference making a U-turn in the middle of a wide-open red state.


On actual roads, you more often than not find yourself wrestling all 270 lb-ft of torque for steering superiority. In first and second gear, make sure you have some space when getting onto the gas with the wheel anything but straight. Even then, you'll want a full lane, stripe to stripe. I haven't felt torque steer like this in a very long time. In fact, I've driven GTIs with 400 hp at the wheel that were more docile than this Ford


When the car senses torque steer, it ups the steering assist in the opposite direction. It feels very unnatural and suddenly you're correcting your efforts to correct the steering to correct the direction of the car in an effort not to have to correct a curbed wheel.

You probably want to blame us, the Edmunds editors, for our long-term 2013 Ford Focus ST's less-than-stellar fuel economy. Or maybe you think fault lies with the EPA's testing procedure. We've been averaging around 22 miles per gallon, which is below the EPA 23 mpg city rating, not to mention the 26 mpg combined rating.

...we averaged just 20.4 mpg for the month on 91 octane premium.

The technology on our long-term 2013 Ford Focus ST has more than its fair share of issues. From the annoyances with MyFord Touch and pairing our phones, to the car thinking it should have a rear-view camera the audio and navigation controls and software seem to be the weak point on

Recently, I happened to notice the gap between the tweeter on the passenger side of our long-term 2013 Ford Focus ST and the door trim below it. Then, I glanced over at the driver-side tweeter. It fits tight to the door trim

Because of its swooping beltline and smallish rear window, the Focus hatchback does not provide the driver the greatest of rearward visibility. It's not terrible in the sense of a mid-80s Italian supercar, mind you, but it can make backing out of driveways or parking spots a bit trickier than I'd expect for a small hatchback
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Dont take my word just look at what other reviewers have said about this Ford crap box. If I was in market for 20 MPG torque steering 3200 lb pig of an econobox I'd be in line for ST for sure!

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The Ford struggles to get the power down in adverse conditions and tends to describe a ragged line when the visor drops, and its manual gearbox is not as efficient as VW's dual-clutch layout.


Despite these grand promises, the RS was notorious for excessive steering fight, so it does not come as a huge surprise that the ST displays similar tendencies.


The bad news is that the turning circle is more F-150 than Focus. At 39.4 feet, the ST, which is shod with eighteen-inch tires, needs three more feet to move between curbs than its lesser stablemates. The turning circle of the Volkswagen is a commendably tight 35.8 feet -- so much smaller than the Ford's that you'd even notice the difference making a U-turn in the middle of a wide-open red state.


On actual roads, you more often than not find yourself wrestling all 270 lb-ft of torque for steering superiority. In first and second gear, make sure you have some space when getting onto the gas with the wheel anything but straight. Even then, you'll want a full lane, stripe to stripe. I haven't felt torque steer like this in a very long time. In fact, I've driven GTIs with 400 hp at the wheel that were more docile than this Ford


When the car senses torque steer, it ups the steering assist in the opposite direction. It feels very unnatural and suddenly you're correcting your efforts to correct the steering to correct the direction of the car in an effort not to have to correct a curbed wheel.

You probably want to blame us, the Edmunds editors, for our long-term 2013 Ford Focus ST's less-than-stellar fuel economy. Or maybe you think fault lies with the EPA's testing procedure. We've been averaging around 22 miles per gallon, which is below the EPA 23 mpg city rating, not to mention the 26 mpg combined rating.

...we averaged just 20.4 mpg for the month on 91 octane premium.

The technology on our long-term 2013 Ford Focus ST has more than its fair share of issues. From the annoyances with MyFord Touch and pairing our phones, to the car thinking it should have a rear-view camera the audio and navigation controls and software seem to be the weak point on

Recently, I happened to notice the gap between the tweeter on the passenger side of our long-term 2013 Ford Focus ST and the door trim below it. Then, I glanced over at the driver-side tweeter. It fits tight to the door trim

Because of its swooping beltline and smallish rear window, the Focus hatchback does not provide the driver the greatest of rearward visibility. It's not terrible in the sense of a mid-80s Italian supercar, mind you, but it can make backing out of driveways or parking spots a bit trickier than I'd expect for a small hatchback
D-damn!!!

Are these from one reviewer or several? You didn't quite quote and bib these.
I never really looked at the post production reviews of this car but Torque steer sounds unrelenting... When i had my Altima 3.5se, i pushed those 270hp/258lbs tq to the limits and virtually no torque steer with vdc on, mild to slightly moderate with it off. There was side to side movement with vdc on, but more than tolerable resistance which made it extremely controllable even under hard driving.

Torque steer has been becoming a historical fact in FWD cars since 2007. The only car I can think of that has harsh torque steer is the Mazdaspeed 3. But those turbos are ramped up pretty high stock and mazdaspeed hasn't been truly updated in that area. (this last statement was true in 2011 at least?) I don't know if 2014's still have that level of torque steer?

All that being said... I'm shocked the Focus ST has horrible torque-steer in 2013.
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