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Any truth to this?

Was at the nissan dealership today and was looking at a GTR that had the tranny removed and was getting rebuilt. Was chatting with the Master tech that was working on the car next to it and he stated that the tranny was being rebuilt. Asked him if it was covered under the power train warranty and he stated that it wasnt being covered since the guy was racing it at a track. I took a step back almost. I mean I knew it wouldnt be covered but I was wondering immiedatly how they knew. I couldnt see anyone openly admitting they fragged the tranny on a closed course track due to voiding the warranty. So I asked him how they knew? He stated they pulled what he compared to a data logger on the GTR that nissan put in it for this specific reason. Once nissan reviewed the data they determined that he was racing it and he fessed up, but told them to fix it even if it isnt under warranty and he would pay for it so he could get it back on the track. I asked him if they had the same thing on the 370z and he said it wasnt, only on the GTR since it is marketed for that and there are people that will by it and make it a track rat.

True or false?

As far as I know I heard its True with the GTR.

anyway to skip paying repair bills

How the hell do you blow an automatic transmission on a stock car? Launching it I presume?

I thought the GTR GPS recognized race tracks via location and disabled the speed limiter etc. Maybe this was only the model in Japan?

Not sure if srs...

This.

The early gtrs had this black box so to speak so this absolutely true. I think they got rid of them tthough, not 100% sure.

As far as blowing the stock auto. Same thing, early gtrs had faulty launch control that would kill the transmission if done too often.

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Gotcha. I heard that too but I thought it was just trashtalk from Nissan haters.

I have heard of both Ford and GM going so far as to even cruise car forums and YouTube and present evidence from both to deny customer warranty claims on drivelines.

Which year model's of GTR has faulty launch controls or I would say faulty Tranny?

08/09

If you're racing a GT-R? Warranty shouldn't be the owners concern from jump street.

I think it is crummy to produce a performance car and then void a warranty when the buyer takes it to the place where it is actually responsible to test the car's limits.

But yeah, this is old news. This has been going on since the GTR came out.

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I have to agree with you too.

I'm not surprise if that is true. In fact, I'm more surprise if they don't enforce that policy to all vehicles.

just remember not to do this:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...85195352_n.jpg

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wtf happened???

dunno........ probably some dumb @$$ who thought he was an expert drifter or race car driver JUST because he got a GTR.

just because you have a GTR or high end sports car, DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN DRIVE LIKE A RACECAR DRIVER.

in other words im sure he "acted like a big shot .. look at me look at me and my 100k GTR..." WHAM!. rash!:shakes head:

but im only speculating

It's also a bit funny, considering the GTR's reputation for being extremely easy to drive at its limits. Most reviewers have said as much.

Still, I hate to see anyone's ride rashed up like that.

i hear ya......... i mean a GTR? really? Nissans Cream of the crop andyou go and ride the rail like that? :shakes head: it hurts.....

dont know what the guy was thinking

You have a good point there...Does Ferrari and Porsche have the same policy with there supercars? But if you can afford to buy one... warranty is the least of your concern right? or maybe not for me.

That's an excellent question. I know that some of the luxury supercar manufacturers sponsor track day learning experiences for new owners, but I don't know if tracking the cars outside of that has any bearing on warranty, or even if, as you say, someone with that kind of money even cares about their warranty.

Its like screwing a supermodel and getting worried about STD!
Damn it!!!! screw that bitch and pray latter!!!:tup:

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Eh who knows about the wreck pic. The GTR's fancy handling can't fix everything, could've been coolant on the track in a corner or whatever.

As for the rest: denying warranty claims for tracking a performance car seems very wrong on the surface, but on the other hand it's a tough situation for the mfg. If it was a legitimate engineering/mfg fault and the component failed early, the mfg really should cover it regardless of where it happened. But even with a faultless car, track stress will eventually destroy every last component in the car, given enough time (and the timeframe's going to be a lot shorter than grandma street driving the car, I don't care how "performance" oriented the car is). Making the call on the acceptable wear+tear before failure is pretty hard, especially if there's no official record of how many miles spent on-track and in what conditions, etc.

For reference, check out the specs page on the 370 Nismo RC (factory race car): NISSAN FAIRLADY ZNISMO RC . They recommend a replacement interval of 5,000 km track distance on the whole drivetrain. That's about 3,000 miles. I do about 200 track miles on an average HPDE weekend. If I were doing that once a month, I'm hitting 3,000 miles in a little over a year. Now granted, I wouldn't *expect failure* at 3K track miles for the whole drivetrain, but by then you're definitely into significant wear + tear.

known facts:

• all GTR's have a data logging system to monitor how their owners use them. everywhere else in the world except the US, the vehicle is limited to 112mph on public roads and the limiter is disabled when the GPS detects it is at a track. the USDM cars are unlimited all the time.
• nissan has warrantied transmission repairs/replacements on multiple vehicles used in track situations, typically only if stock or lightly modded.
• nissan clearly states in the paperwork the owner signed when he purchased the car that it is intended for street use only and warranty is void for track use. the same goes for the 370z and any other car nissan sells. this is a CYA statement allowing them to void the warranty if they deem "owner abuse" is the cause of the problem
• having said that^ nissan organizes track days for GTR owners called the GTR experience. these events are designed to show the owner what the GTR can do while still covered under warranty.
• 08/09 GTR's had Launch Control 1; use of this was said to void the warranty but again, several cases were repaired under warranty despite this, it was a case-by-case ruling by warranty reps
• 2010 saw the introduction of LC2 which was a lower RPM start and was better covered under warranty though repeated launches would void it
• 2012 introduced LC3 which is fully warrantied since the car will only let you do 3 in a row before a "cool down" time is required. hard driving is still permitted during this, just not launches. while this sounds limiting, really, should you be launching a GTR 3 times full bore from a stop within 1 minute in any circumstances... ever?
• 2013 introduced LC4 with a slightly higher RPM launch, same rules apply as the last point
• the transmission in all GTR's, the GR6, is basically the same though for 2012, the first gear set was revised to be slightly larger/stronger. most tracked GTR's transmission failures are 3rd 4th gear problems since those are the most used and most often changed to gears.

this is what i know

HKY, I believe if there is a clause that you can have your car inspected before & after a track event and if no improper wear was found the warranty is still 100%. Now this might be a dealership to dealership thing that some do to allow customers to go to the track with some safety net.

From what I understand the GPS in the GTR knows when you get to a race track. Now as far as if it know that you were racing on that track. That is probably on another computer.

I was talking to a few mechanics at Nissan, each time you bring a GTR in they download a encrypted file off your GTR and it is sent to nissan. They can than tell what you have been doing.

i've heard of that too but i don't think that's a nissan corporate thing, i would say that is a service (good) dealerships are offering. more should do it imo

the first part is only in the rest of the world, not the US. the second part is not true at all from what i've heard. they will only download this information if there is a warranty claim that is directly related to the performance/powertrain aspects of the car

CYA or not, you have to admit it's contradictory to responsible driving. What it's saying, in effect, is that, "We've manufactured this paperweight with sporting pretentions. You have three options: (1) illegally stress it on the road where you are a danger to many people, (2) pay us more money to drive it on our track, (3) drive like a grandma to coffee meets and brag about what it does on paper."

Thank you, Nissan.

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For anyone not liking this, many companies do this already from Porsche to Ferrari and even BMW now. Companies want to know more about what people are doing with the cars and if you modify them, largely so they can determine fault better (i.e. deny warranty claims).

i didn't say it was right, i'm just saying what it is. the fact of the matter is, horsepower, engine efficiency, tires/traction, suspension... all the bits that make up a performance car are getting so good, so fast that it's hard for the manufacturers to keep up with physics. to hand over a 530hp car to any driver, particularly when Nissan is gunshy about US drivers after they nearly bankrupted the company with the Z32, with a blank check warranty is not going to happen. those days are long gone. if you drive the car responsibly, get it inspected like it should be and don't do much more than a few bolt ons... chances are nissan will keep the warranty valid. that's pretty much what it boils down to

yup, porsche definitely is doing this^ i'm sure all the new BMW's and at least the AMG mercs are the same. this is just going to be par for the course from now on, especially on higher performing cars

You sure, I know in other countries the power is limited until it gets to a track but as far as it knowing when you get to one, I would think that would be everywhere.

yes, i am sure. i've heard it from dealers, i've read it in official nissan press, and i've tested it myself :driving:

also, power is not limited at all, it's just a speed limiter that kicks in at (i believe) 112mph unless on a track in all countries except US, and maybe canada, not sure about them... as with any car, a tune can remove this limiter as well

if you think about it, it held up against the wall pretty good.. the mirror didn't even break off.. lol

yea GTR's are pretty stout. a friend of mine was riding in the back seat of one that hit a curb at over 100mph. the car flipped 3 or 4 times and hit a tree (still going over 60mph). the car was completely destroyed and looked like a smashed beer can but the passengers survived. my friend had broken legs and some other injuries but he survived. the driver only had a broken ankle and cuts and scrapes. the car is built to crash well, as it should be for something capable of such amazing speeds

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I believe that is a true statement. I also read that if you use the GTR Launch Control option more then 5 times or so...the warranty is voided as well.

not for the US they do that for Europe because they have specialized HPC's for the GTR


Driving a GTR on the track does not void the warranty in any way. but while you are on the track anything that breaks that can be determined that the tracking was the cause will not be covered if there is a warranty claim. thats a common sense policy and most high manufacturers have it.

not turning VDC off is probably the single most important thing when wanting to maintain a warranty even more so than modding




absolutely false

a lot of misinformation in this thread

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