Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 1768010)

for the price and the goal of the car you really can't complain.

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 1766606)

It needs boost.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1768030)

ASK and you shall receive... at least on the subie it will.

The Subaru BRZ STI Engine Debuts in Japanese version of the Legacy and Next Generation WRX Car Rolodex

Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 1768010)

Low? No way, unless he had coilovers. We've got an FR-S and it's far from low.

The interior is lacking, but for the price and the goal of the car you really can't complain. Unfortunately, dealers are piling on terrible "aftermarket parts" and "styling packages" and other BS so they can overcharge for them.

Here's why I LOVE the FR-S/BRZ:

1) It's RWD and it's relatively cheap. It's basically a hardtop Miata.
2) The primary goal from the engineers/designers was cheap, fun, and RWD. They compromised very little.
3) It handles great.
4) My favorite thing about this car is that it should light a fire under Nissan and Honda, maybe even Chevy and Ford, to bring similar cars to market. If this car sells well, the other guys are gonna want a piece of that pie. I can even see Mazda improving the Miata platform as a result. These are all great things. If Nissan brought back the 240SX, I'd be ecstatic.

Now, for things I don't like about this car...

OEM wheels and ride height make me sad. Our FR-S looks like a monster truck :(
ECU has some sort of trickery going on inside. Looks like some terrible cam timing or something... There's a huge power dip around 3500rpms. On top of that, the car isn't responding to bolt-ons very well. We partnered with Agency Power to develop an intake, exhaust, and some other bolt-ons. We made pretty good power with the exhaust or the intake, but together the result wasn't cumulative. It was like the ECU said "3+3=4". Also, the OEM clutch felt pretty lame. We partnered with Clutch Masters and they developed a new clutch for us, which is much better.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1768057)

A guy down the block bought one in firestorm red. The profile is beautiful, front aggressive, rear looks unfinished and I agree the wheels just look weak as hell.... it does need FI considering we come from a v6. And people can pull the handling card all they want. Our cars still get 1g of grip in the mid 70'smph range. Our automatics are getting to 60 from 0 in about 4.8 seconds and 4.4 with a foot of rollot. Our manuals are .3 seconds slower. Quarter times are ranging 12.9 to 13.1 seconds stock with a broken in engine and a good set of rubber. I will pass on 15+second quarter times for a nimble feel. My Z feels plenty nimble without the car feeling like its going to fly away and not so fat and heavy that it feels like a boat. I think the Z is perfect. For its current power. I would like it to lose 200lbs. Other than that I think its perfect in its function.
That said. I'm going to test drive a FRS today. I am curious as well as I want to follow the build up to the turbo model. I have my eye on this car and with a turbo engine pushing this thing.

Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 1767972)

I agree. Everyone already knows this car is going to sell a ton. It brings the sports coupe back to Toyota finally, a crowd that Toyota didnt previously cater to. Give it a couple of years and the aftermarket will take care of the cars lacking HP.

Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1771464)

It's a nice try by Toyota and Subi. Once all the fanboi hype dies off this is just an above average offering with RWD.

I agree with others that Japanese car companies tend to flock to similar competitive offerings so lets hope we see a small Nissan with 1.6 turbo soon.

Mazda announced long ago it was revamping MX5 platform so we should see something from them too.

Too bad they will all be ladies and small men's cars. Us over 6'3" foot dudes don't fit well in most of these small Japanese sports cars.

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1768043)

Also forgot... The car dipped below 500rpm at idle on me. It was really disconcerting, like the car was going to stall at stop signs. Has anyone else experienced this, or was I just test driving a dog?

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1771597)

For some reason this is really common on subarus for the first couple hundred miles. My wrx did it too...I think it has to do with a relatively slow leaning ecu for idle parameters.

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1771608)

So that's normal with the boxer 4? Ok, I asked the salesman, but he was pretty clueless about the vehicle.

Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 1768010)

Low? No way, unless he had coilovers. We've got an FR-S and it's far from low.

The interior is lacking, but for the price and the goal of the car you really can't complain. Unfortunately, dealers are piling on terrible "aftermarket parts" and "styling packages" and other BS so they can overcharge for them.

Here's why I LOVE the FR-S/BRZ:

1) It's RWD and it's relatively cheap. It's basically a hardtop Miata.
2) The primary goal from the engineers/designers was cheap, fun, and RWD. They compromised very little.
3) It handles great.
4) My favorite thing about this car is that it should light a fire under Nissan and Honda, maybe even Chevy and Ford, to bring similar cars to market. If this car sells well, the other guys are gonna want a piece of that pie. I can even see Mazda improving the Miata platform as a result. These are all great things. If Nissan brought back the 240SX, I'd be ecstatic.

Now, for things I don't like about this car...

OEM wheels and ride height make me sad. Our FR-S looks like a monster truck :(
ECU has some sort of trickery going on inside. Looks like some terrible cam timing or something... There's a huge power dip around 3500rpms. On top of that, the car isn't responding to bolt-ons very well. We partnered with Agency Power to develop an intake, exhaust, and some other bolt-ons. We made pretty good power with the exhaust or the intake, but together the result wasn't cumulative. It was like the ECU said "3+3=4". Also, the OEM clutch felt pretty lame. We partnered with Clutch Masters and they developed a new clutch for us, which is much better.