Saw an fr-s on the road today...
 

I was underwhelmed. It looks small and weak and the wheels are wayyyyy too thin. The wheels are the deal breaker i know u can upgrade but overall the car looks weak to me

yeah.... those wheels look like them ugly *** koenig unknowns that every white boy and their mama put on their grand am.

NO RACIAL INTENDED.

Just saw a bright orange one in town and agree the wheels/ setup is very weak. We all thought it was a Hyundai surprisingly.

Guy at the local Cars and Coffee let me take his around the block this morning. Gotta say looks wise it is just ok. Behind the wheel though the car just felt so "flickable". Since it wasn't my car I wasn't gonna go burning the tires off the car through a corner but it definitely had very good handling from what I could tell.

Simple fact is that it's NOT meant to compete against the Z. Instead it's aimed at the miata, RX-8, and S2K crowd.

I was at a bbq and the house next door had an fr-s. it looks like a failed attempt at being a genesis. Honestly, it is a typical scion, nice but nothing special. Perhaps if the car had a turbo it would have more appeal. As an autocross car I think it does have potential though.

Just my thoughts on the car.

There was one at the autox today, nothing special other than the fact that it is very low. Interior was like a $20K car at best.

It's ok. It needs aftermarket love. For the money, I'd get an MX-5

It needs boost.

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Exactly what I said a while back on the other long running thread. I just can't get into it.

I agree! Honestly, I thought the car would be much better even in stock trim. I hate to say it but as I walked away the feeling I had was that it was "cheap".

The car will evolve and I am sure the aftermarket support will improve it substantially.

i like it its a good step for toyota

I agree. Everyone already knows this car is going to sell a ton. It brings the sports coupe back to Toyota finally, a crowd that Toyota didnt previously cater to. Give it a couple of years and the aftermarket will take care of the cars lacking HP.

I agree. Great car for the price

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The FR-S will sell, sure. But it's not great car for the money. Unless the one I tested was the anomaly, it felt much cheaper than a 25k car.

Low? No way, unless he had coilovers. We've got an FR-S and it's far from low.

The interior is lacking, but for the price and the goal of the car you really can't complain. Unfortunately, dealers are piling on terrible "aftermarket parts" and "styling packages" and other BS so they can overcharge for them.

Here's why I LOVE the FR-S/BRZ:

1) It's RWD and it's relatively cheap. It's basically a hardtop Miata.
2) The primary goal from the engineers/designers was cheap, fun, and RWD. They compromised very little.
3) It handles great.
4) My favorite thing about this car is that it should light a fire under Nissan and Honda, maybe even Chevy and Ford, to bring similar cars to market. If this car sells well, the other guys are gonna want a piece of that pie. I can even see Mazda improving the Miata platform as a result. These are all great things. If Nissan brought back the 240SX, I'd be ecstatic.

Now, for things I don't like about this car...

OEM wheels and ride height make me sad. Our FR-S looks like a monster truck :(
ECU has some sort of trickery going on inside. Looks like some terrible cam timing or something... There's a huge power dip around 3500rpms. On top of that, the car isn't responding to bolt-ons very well. We partnered with Agency Power to develop an intake, exhaust, and some other bolt-ons. We made pretty good power with the exhaust or the intake, but together the result wasn't cumulative. It was like the ECU said "3+3=4". Also, the OEM clutch felt pretty lame. We partnered with Clutch Masters and they developed a new clutch for us, which is much better.

lol, I can, have, and will again.

I had high hopes for it, but after driving it, it struck me as considerably less fun for the money than a Miata.

ASK and you shall receive... at least on the subie it will.

The Subaru BRZ STI Engine Debuts in Japanese version of the Legacy and Next Generation WRX Car Rolodex

All of this will pretty much be a straight bolt on for the current engine.... you will have to work it, but swap it over and your set. This new block will be used in most if not alll future flat 4's for a while. Both in NA and boosted trim.

This. That was my reply on the 350 forums under you guys thread lol.

Also forgot... The car dipped below 500rpm at idle on me. It was really disconcerting, like the car was going to stall at stop signs. Has anyone else experienced this, or was I just test driving a dog?

I'm sure the BRZ platform could be an easy candidate for an STi swap, although it does bring about the problem of emissions testing. Lightweight, plenty of space in the engine bay, and updated styling really lends an air of fresh, modern design.

Also, I'm sure someone is just gonna swap out the entire interior or something... the inside of the BRZ/FRS (FRS especially) reminded me of the interior of the 350Z... made the price tag seem too high for such an unrefined, cheap, almost thrown-together interior.

A guy down the block bought one in firestorm red. The profile is beautiful, front aggressive, rear looks unfinished and I agree the wheels just look weak as hell.... it does need FI considering we come from a v6. And people can pull the handling card all they want. Our cars still get 1g of grip in the mid 70'smph range. Our automatics are getting to 60 from 0 in about 4.8 seconds and 4.4 with a foot of rollot. Our manuals are .3 seconds slower. Quarter times are ranging 12.9 to 13.1 seconds stock with a broken in engine and a good set of rubber. I will pass on 15+second quarter times for a nimble feel. My Z feels plenty nimble without the car feeling like its going to fly away and not so fat and heavy that it feels like a boat. I think the Z is perfect. For its current power. I would like it to lose 200lbs. Other than that I think its perfect in its function.

That said. I'm going to test drive a FRS today. I am curious as well as I want to follow the build up to the turbo model. I have my eye on this car and with a turbo engine pushing this thing.

this is a family car. can't do any homedepot shopping and carry it home with you. fail

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It's a nice try by Toyota and Subi. Once all the fanboi hype dies off this is just an above average offering with RWD.

I agree with others that Japanese car companies tend to flock to similar competitive offerings so lets hope we see a small Nissan with 1.6 turbo soon.

Mazda announced long ago it was revamping MX5 platform so we should see something from them too.

Too bad they will all be ladies and small men's cars. Us over 6'3" foot dudes don't fit well in most of these small Japanese sports cars.

To give it credit, I'm not tall, but the FR-S held a fatty like me pretty well.

For some reason this is really common on subarus for the first couple hundred miles. My wrx did it too...I think it has to do with a relatively slow leaning ecu for idle parameters.

So that's normal with the boxer 4? Ok, I asked the salesman, but he was pretty clueless about the vehicle.

Mine did it literally twice. Once was about 3 days after purchase, and the other time the temperature had dropped something like 50* overnight.

Both times it just did a quick blip below 500 rpms, but then caught and went back to a normal idle. Nothing bad happened, but kinda scary.

I've put 19,000 miles on the car since the last time it happened, though, and it has been good since.

Of course, it could also just be bad gas or whatever

Chevy is already working on a car in this market, check out the 130R and 140S, it looks interesting, so far.

I wouldn't say it looks "thrown together." Cheap and unrefined, sure. But it's a sports car, not a family car. And certainly not luxury.

There's been several engine swaps that have already been done. At least 2 V8 swaps, and I'm pretty sure someone did an STi swap already too.

I would agree to this exactly. It's not gonna wow you with the plastic materials, and the car is unrefined, but it looks decently sorted in there.

I could see engine swaps in that thing. Its engine bay is refreshingly large for a modern car. Even if no swap was done, working on one would be fun.

I'm so envious of everyone with FR-S's around in their cities already. I've yet to see one in real life.

I don't think reviewers are referring to the grip when they praise the FR-S on its handling. Grip isn't that good on it since it has thin tires and harder rubber. This makes it a lot more forgiving to drive at the limit though. Reminds me of one video where some guy fitted an AMG car with donuts on all four corners which made it a breeze to drive at the limits instead of snapping out when you pass them, like our Z's tend to do.

I'd like to add that the only angle I don't like on the car is the rear. Like Unknown said, it looks unfinished to me. Might be because of the angular fog light area?