STI or 370Z

Z1st · 03-26-2012, 12:24 AM

Thanks!!! I am definitely going with the Z! although that was my main intent in the first place...just like to hear more experienced opinions. I like the NISMO addition...mostly for its looks and that they are a little more rare, especially in my area.

Z1st · 03-26-2012, 12:30 AM

99% of the people that look at seriously buying a 370Z is doing it for a great looking car with awesome performance and value. Granted if you want utility to go along with your performance , sacrifices will have to be made.

I completly agree with this, and that is the reason i started looking at them so seriously, it wasnt till i saw posts on STIs, then i started look at both.

Methodical4u · 03-26-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

Here is what I gave you earlier and prices to compare (2012 MSRP) and Top Gear track times for the most CONSISTANT performance comparison.
-370Z $31,910 - $42,750 1:27.50
-Subaru Impreza WRX STI $25,595 - $37,445 1:28.20
-Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X $34,495 - $37,695 1:28.22

All very close in price range.
Here are some of the cars that are quicker than the 370Z

Aston Martin DB9 $189,915 - $211,821 (4/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

Lexus IS F $61,300 (6/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class $71,300 - $94,900 (6/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

Jaguar XFR $82,000 (8/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

Porsche Cayman S $62,100 (8/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

BMW M3 $60,100 - $68,750 (1 second quicker at the Top Gear track)

99% of the people that look at seriously buying a 370Z is doing it for a great looking car with awesome performance and value. Granted if you want utility to go along with your performance , sacrifices will have to be made.

Methodical4u: Researching, I have not found any significant changes to the STI to make a difference in performance. The time listed for the 370Z was from 2009 but the time will be the same today as there have been no significant changes. As far as the driver is concerned, I think we can all agree that the Stig is a worth while source of how well a car can perform. Also, having these times from the same driver skill level makes for great comparison.

I agree if you are going to drive multiple cars to have the same driver do it. The Z is a great car... i'm not at all trying to put it down... i'm saying for me... I would maybe go with the STI... but i've always felt they were a bit expensive. I think my Z was 31,5... however my WRX was 24,7 and the performance is fairly close there with some sway bars a few mods and a tune it's a better deal IMO than the STI is.

Methodical4u · 03-26-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Z1st

99% of the people that look at seriously buying a 370Z is doing it for a great looking car with awesome performance and value. Granted if you want utility to go along with your performance , sacrifices will have to be made.

I completly agree with this, and that is the reason i started looking at them so seriously, it wasnt till i saw posts on STIs, then i started look at both.

You also have to keep in mind how VERY different the cars are. The STI is a rally bred car... people focus on what kind of 1/4 time it runs or whatever, but that's not it's purpose at all. It's a fast car out of the box that can cover pretty much any kind of terrain you put in front of it. The Z isn't that same type of car and was never meant to be. It's not really a 1/4 mile car either. It has a long legacy as simply a "sports" car. The new model happens to be the fastest Z yet... which in this day and age with cars one would expect anyway.

I'm not sure what Nissan has planned... I know Subaru will go to the 2.0 liter next year I believe, so it will run higher revs and put out maybe a bit more power from a few articles i've read... ALL cars however are going to become better on gas since they passed the law that all cars must get ... I don't remember, a certain amount mpg by like 2020 or something. Definitely expect changes to ALL cars pretty rapidly over the next few years IMO.

Nismodean · 03-26-2012, 12:40 AM

If you have the money with absolutely no worries, the Nismo is the way to go. But I couldn't justify $8,000 difference when buying mine to opt for it. An 18 HP difference (the body style and different rims were a moot point with me as I'm more function over fashion) just wasn't enough.

Methodical4u · 03-26-2012, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

If you have the money with absolutely no worries, the Nismo is the way to go. But I couldn't justify $8,000 difference when buying mine to opt for it. An 18 HP difference (the body style and different rims were a moot point with me as I'm more function over fashion) just wasn't enough.

Same reason I would never go with the STI over the WRX... it used be a pretty big jump in performance a few years ago... but now.. no.

I think I read on some of the dyno charts only a 10 hp difference to the wheels on the STI vs the WRX because of the gearing. So you are paying the extra 10 grand for the brakes and suspension... things you can buy for how much aftermarket? If it's that important to you. For me... nope.

Nismodean · 03-26-2012, 12:45 AM

The car is for whatever you bought it for.

Chris Van Woensel - Nissan 370Z | Pure sound | [HD] by JM - YouTube

Z1st · 03-26-2012, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

If you have the money with absolutely no worries, the Nismo is the way to go. But I couldn't justify $8,000 difference when buying mine to opt for it. An 18 HP difference (the body style and different rims were a moot point with me as I'm more function over fashion) just wasn't enough.

Money is not really a main concern, besides you will spend that much or more putting that onto a Z so why not just buy it that way, and then as you mod it more sell them aftermarket parts.

Nismodean · 03-26-2012, 12:51 AM

I "think" after you replace the exhaust you basically have a sports packaged 370Z that looks like a Nismo...

Methodical4u · 03-26-2012, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

The car is for whatever you bought it for.

Chris Van Woensel - Nissan 370Z | Pure sound | [HD] by JM - YouTube

LMAO... that just looks all wrong... it's cool, but so weird.

Methodical4u · 03-26-2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

I "think" after you replace the exhaust you basically have a sports packaged 370Z that looks like a Nismo...

I had the F.I. 18" res like you do and I really loved the tone... though I had the ART pipes with mine which kept it a bit more quiet... but the just the pipes really opened up the throttle response.

Z1st · 03-26-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

I "think" after you replace the exhaust you basically have a sports packaged 370Z that looks like a Nismo...

ya that was one of the plans along with FI. but i like the low miles and looks of them.

Z1st · 03-26-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

LMAO... that just looks all wrong... it's cool, but so weird.

THAT SOUNDS AMAZING!! WHAT IS THAT!!

Methodical4u · 03-26-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Z1st

THAT SOUNDS AMAZING!! WHAT IS THAT!!

maybe an open exhaust lol

blinkme323 · 03-26-2012, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

Here is what I gave you earlier and prices to compare (2012 MSRP) and Top Gear track times for the most CONSISTANT performance comparison.
-370Z $31,910 - $42,750 1:27.50
-Subaru Impreza WRX STI $25,595 - $37,445 1:28.20
-Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X $34,495 - $37,695 1:28.22

All very close in price range.
Here are some of the cars that are quicker than the 370Z

Aston Martin DB9 $189,915 - $211,821 (4/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

Lexus IS F $61,300 (6/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class $71,300 - $94,900 (6/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

Jaguar XFR $82,000 (8/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

Porsche Cayman S $62,100 (8/10ths of a second quicker at the Top Gear track)

BMW M3 $60,100 - $68,750 (1 second quicker at the Top Gear track)

99% of the people that look at seriously buying a 370Z is doing it for a great looking car with awesome performance and value. Granted if you want utility to go along with your performance , sacrifices will have to be made.

Methodical4u: Researching, I have not found any significant changes to the STI to make a difference in performance. The time listed for the 370Z was from 2009 but the time will be the same today as there have been no significant changes. As far as the driver is concerned, I think we can all agree that the Stig is a worth while source of how well a car can perform. Also, having these times from the same driver skill level makes for great comparison.

The fastest M3 time is actually 2+ secs faster than the 370 on that list. Just saying...

03-26-2012, 12:40 AM	#20 (permalink)
Nismodean Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington Posts: 313 Drives: 2009 RIP Now 2012 Rep Power: 14	If you have the money with absolutely no worries, the Nismo is the way to go. But I couldn't justify $8,000 difference when buying mine to opt for it. An 18 HP difference (the body style and different rims were a moot point with me as I'm more function over fashion) just wasn't enough. __________________ The Truth, it hurts sometimes. FI LTH & FI CF CBE. This is a 370Z forum, if I want to fling poo at another brand of car and your feelings get hurt, then you're hanging out in the wrong forum (cry elsewhere).

03-26-2012, 12:45 AM	#22 (permalink)
Nismodean Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington Posts: 313 Drives: 2009 RIP Now 2012 Rep Power: 14	The car is for whatever you bought it for. Chris Van Woensel - Nissan 370Z \| Pure sound \| [HD] by JM - YouTube __________________ The Truth, it hurts sometimes. FI LTH & FI CF CBE. This is a 370Z forum, if I want to fling poo at another brand of car and your feelings get hurt, then you're hanging out in the wrong forum (cry elsewhere).

03-26-2012, 12:51 AM	#24 (permalink)
Nismodean Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington Posts: 313 Drives: 2009 RIP Now 2012 Rep Power: 14	I "think" after you replace the exhaust you basically have a sports packaged 370Z that looks like a Nismo... __________________ The Truth, it hurts sometimes. FI LTH & FI CF CBE. This is a 370Z forum, if I want to fling poo at another brand of car and your feelings get hurt, then you're hanging out in the wrong forum (cry elsewhere).

03-26-2012, 12:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
Z1st Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: jacksonville Posts: 62 Drives: 2005 chevy silverado Rep Power: 13	Thanks!!! I am definitely going with the Z! although that was my main intent in the first place...just like to hear more experienced opinions. I like the NISMO addition...mostly for its looks and that they are a little more rare, especially in my area.

03-26-2012, 12:30 AM	#17 (permalink)
Z1st Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: jacksonville Posts: 62 Drives: 2005 chevy silverado Rep Power: 13	99% of the people that look at seriously buying a 370Z is doing it for a great looking car with awesome performance and value. Granted if you want utility to go along with your performance , sacrifices will have to be made. I completly agree with this, and that is the reason i started looking at them so seriously, it wasnt till i saw posts on STIs, then i started look at both.