My point is that every car on the list is driven to the max by a pro and yet the gtr shines, why is it faster than the enzo? Because it can carry more speed in and out of a turn and it shifts way faster. Enough to make up the power and weight disadvantage.

Two guys play the same notes on the Guitar......

One is a novice, and the other a Pro....

Do you really think the beginner sounds as good as the pro..

At the track , there are many a car that are "faster" on paper..

Give a lesser car to a Pro driver, and he will beat you...

FYI..i am not the Pro, but i have seen it done with lesser cars and worse Tires..

Two similar drivers , No, But a true Professional driver will Win every time...

Hand Kyle Busch a Shopping cart, and he will beat the GTR...

Seriously, he then has to run VERY FAST... With FURIOUS.... :eek:

And looks like this:

Did you see "wild thing" in the shootout.

They wrecked him three times and he still beat them all, at daytona with a crushed up car..

Man, i did not like him, but he may be the best i have seen..

Watched the crazy sport since 1969..

One crazy flat out fool...:driving:

OK, so maybe not a shopping cart against the GTR, haha, but you get my point...

A wrecked car, at a super speedway, and not one car beat him? Stewart had the shot but 41 others got their hats handed to them..

Hell he can drive my cars if he wants to...

He is talented and fast, I don't follow NASCAR very much but I know him, nuff said. :tup:

As for you point, yes, I do agree with you, my first post in this thread, #13, state a similar idea.

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Kyle is insane. :tup:

I think it's easier to think of it in percentages. 70% driver, 30% car. For a squid, like yourself and many of us, 150hp is more than enough to hone in our driving skills on the track. That's why cars, like the miata are so great. It's relatively nimble around a track and pretty inexpensive. If you've ever seen Top Gear, just look at the times a novice put up in the "reasonably priced car" segment compared to the F1 drivers. This doesn't mean a Kia Cee'd driven by a pro is gonna blow past high powered Ferrari's around the same track driven by a novice, but it could make it interesting. The high performance car will pick up some of the slack of the unskilled driver, but it can only do so much.

In the OP's situtation though, squid vs squid. The GT-R driver has the clear advantage. I would venture to guess an experienced (intermediate) driver could probably put up the same track times in a Z as a novice driver would with some skill in GT-R. A pro in a Z would very likely beat it around the track. He'll know the track better, which would essentially account for huge chunks of time.

There is a difference between fast novice and bad novice.....

God, just to get out there this year is going to be fun.. There will be faster cars, but the fun factor will still be there..It will only be in the Z/28 Track monster...The Wife's 370Z, I can't take to the track, or out early Sunday mornings....She knows what i'll do with it.. Camaro is fully approved for helmet wearing beat downs.. I am just going to follow the faster guys and Learn..

solarguy- if a prius passes you, that is cossie. :icon17:

Generally 2 unequaled skill drivers in 2 unequal cars, skill should win at the track, but in a lapping day the lessor driver may still have you in the faster car (no passing on corners)

MR2 Spyder and GT3 - YouTube

This was a few years ago, I'm in a 138hp Spyder vs. GT3.


The best is when someone jumps in your car and shows you how much faster it can be compared to how you drive it. You stop thinking about mods at that point and start listening to instruction ;)

yah, most mods are for dressup only.

Haha.. Then I broke something beating it...

I didn't pass a GTR or 370, I did pass a G35 in the Prius

AMEN....I spent most of my money underneath the car..Left the 28 year old paint, and not really needing more HP, waited on that.

The last thing I did was put the sweet rims on it.. It was everything from gas lines, body bushings, Brake lines, to Full on Coil overs, Brakes and Hotchkis Bars, SFC's , new 2011 Steering Box and pump.

I hate when someone throws Rims on a Car with baby brakes, or even just brakes and Rims... Much more is involved.. Especially older cars.

Worse, they just do HP upgrades.. Sure I went with a complete new ceramic and Stainless exhaust and K and N, and Full MSD System and Aluminum pump and radiator, BUT only after spending all the money on the important stuff.

On the 370Z, time will tell..It is the wife's Car, but being the Touring/Sport, i am REALLY happy so far.