sell that shitty vette, and pick yourself up a real car.... :stirthepot:

well, it's a quite a big stretch to call it a "production car". the viper ACR is more like a barely street-legal race car. The more mass-produced srt 10 is plenty fast, but not nearly the fastest around the ring.

production car is a production car

Ding!
It is like the Vette using very specific tires in the Z06/ZR1 now which were designed for tracking purposes. Still a production car and does really help make the car much better.

if you really wanna put it that way, then the fastest "production car" is the radical sr8 LM at 6 minutes and 48 seconds.

... just sayin

I think I read somewhere that Ferrari helped with the development of the new Viper's V10 :yum:

Yes, this was straight from the Road & Track article... "The Corvette engineering will keep a close eye on the Viper’s performance specs, and they’re not happy about reports stating that Ferrari has helped map the Viper’s engine for better performance"

I can buy, right now (if I wanted to be stupid), a car IDENTICAL to the one that ran a 7:12.XX around the 'ring. it will include a 3/36 warranty, and come right off a dealer lot. ACR 7:12 edition.

I can also LEGALLY drive it home.

To me, THAT qualifies it for "production".

2010 New Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR Special Edition 7:12.13
Okay, your turn now. :tiphat:

My 'vette is a total toy, and I have actually considered buying a Viper instead, because I drive my Z06 like a Viper---sunny days only, recreational. However, I know one day my G20 will permanently **** the bed and I will turn my weekend-warrior into a DD. Hence I am going for a 370Z if I can ever find one like I want (as previously discussed in a bazillion other threads).

looking to be a home/property owner by 30, so having to cut down on some things.

Although a Gen III or early gen IV are tempting as hell. I love the Vipers!

Ferrari has inspired every American V8 supercar power-plant in existence.

VVVVVvvvvrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee....CAPTAIN!? There is no torque!?!?! eerreeeeeeee.....!!!!

ADD DISCPLACEMENT! MOAR!!!!!

you're a Murse you should be making enough money for a viper and a house...:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

Yeah, but I am getting into Class III firearms, too, and I like to have a nice-sized cash buffer.

Plus, I am moving and want to buy 25+ acres. Not just a 1/2 acre lot.

lol Class III...

to bad you will never get to play with real toys....



and cash buffers are ALWAYS good :tup:

What exactly are "real toys" by your definition?

M203s, M82A1, and all sorts of other really cool weapons you won't ever see states side...



I have access to more, being in the military an all :p even if it is JUST the Air Force

I had the chance to buy an M82 the other month. I passed. $7500 (my price...) including optic (unknown). That is a normal firearm, not C3 or restricted in any way unless you live in Commifornia. Here it is on my co-worker's FB page...

http://i42.tinypic.com/a26k38.png

Like I said, just no place/use or I would have bought.

As to the M203, cool, but it would cost me $200 for every shell I fired ON TOP of procuring the shell (if I could, I don't know if I can). Yes, I can own it (the M203). No, it's not worth the price to play. For $5 you can build something much more graphic, albeit you light it with a fuze and it doesn't have the CDI factor.

not M82.. M82A1, mil spec brah... and im just sayin, I get to play.. for free :p

other then to be a badass, what is the reasoning behind wanting a CIII?

pm instead of wrecking this viper thread :p

Dude, it's a Viper thread, it was meant to be wrecked :bowrofl:

PM sent :tup:

PS. Read her caption, it's an M82A1. There is no difference of which I am aware.

in that case.... I am working on a viper engine swap into my miata door 300zx
It was pretty light and less recoil then the civilian models I have fired. but then again it was in Africa, with some Marines.. and they have lots of cool shit :bowrofl:

Radical SR8LM for sale

What's your point? I never denied you can go buy an ACR. The point is that anyone can go get a race car and put on it the few basic necessities to appease the government and be able to put license plates on it. That doesn't make it a "road car". A road car has to be able to clear a speed bump. A road car has to be able to travel through a few potholes. And a road car has to be able to be driven on a rainy day without totally flying off the road and crashing into a ditch. The Viper ACR doesn't fit these criteria. Neither does the Radical either, or even the Gumpert. they are more like street-legal track cars, not road cars. So to compare them to proper road cars like a 911 turbo, gtr, or corvette zr1 is a bit ridiculous.

Why can't you drive an ACR in the rain without crashing into a ditch?

Though I do agree that it isn't much of a "road" car in the traditional sense.

Don't end up in a roadside ditch, get DirecTV

I was just thinking that. :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

I love those commercials. Hoping to see a new one for the Super Bowl.

:facepalm: Because it has barely street legal race tires with very minimal tread.

That doesn't mean it's going to fly off the road into a ditch in the rain. :bowrofl:

The ACR can be driven in the rain very easily, just don't suck at driving.
Was following this guy, started to pour a few minutes later and he had zero issues in the rain.

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They are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, right? Plenty of successful rain driven stories with those tires. Just be careful. :)

I believe so, but with the way this car was setup (stickers/sponsors, massive brake dust on the sides, etc) I imagine he might have been running a different set of tires.
I also have driven with a green ACR that was 100% bone stock and the guy had no problems in the rain that day. Though he better not since he tracks 2 ACR and a supercharged Viper.

unless you are talking about certain members on this forum :facepalm:

any car can be driven in the rain if one is cautious enough. heck, i drove my z back home from a track day in the rain on practically slick rear tires after i had burnt off all the tread on the track. with extreme caution, i made it home in one piece without any drama. of course that meant i was the slowest guy on the highway, going 20km/h below the speed limit while everyone else was 10-20 km/h above that limit. that still doesn't make it a safe or smart thing to do, and definitely not on a daily basis.

I have no doubt you can drive an ACR in the rain safely, but you have to give it 100% of your attention. You can't relax and take it for granted the car will stick and just go ahead and power your way out of a turn or pass someone on the highway. I don't even think it has traction control. That's not really what you want in a "road car".

Edit: Just found a disclaimer on Michelin's website: Due to the reduced original tread depths and technical characteristics of these tyres, we advise drivers to take care and reduce speeds as necessary in wet conditions, especially in deep standing water or heavy rain. This applies to track and road use.

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Yeah I don't think any viper ever came with VDC. LOL!

I had roughly no tread on my PZeros before I took them off and generally had no problem with the at or above the speed limit in the rain. :icon17:

Also, I prefer to give the car 100% of my attention 100% of the time that I am driving. Generally a good idea. :icon17:

Traction control... I don't need no stinkin' traction control! :bowrofl:

what's traction control? :-P

Maybe you had some rudimentary tread left. Even a couple of mm can make a big difference. Mine were pretty much racing slicks by the time i changed them.
The back end would get twitchy and nervous easily over any standing puddles of water. The tires pretty much looked like this (except the steel belts weren't exposed yet)

http://www.autospies.com/images/user...Bad%20Tire.jpg

I understand what you're saying. Bottom line is you need to adapt to the conditions and drive accordingly. An ACR would only prove troublesome in the rain if the driver was an idiot.

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It's that pesky little thing that keeps you from ending up like this

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...5f70eb948c.jpg:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

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