I'd prefer a japanese engineered car over a korean one.


Similar to how the Supra came with a naturally aspirated motor and a TwinTurbo motor, Toyota/Subaru should have offered a flat-6 engine version for a premium- maybe that would be more on the level of Nissan.

It's not a bad car for 25k MSRP.

Its going to compete (price wise) with the
Miata which is a 167Hp/140Tq 2480lb.
Genesis Coupe 2.0R is 210/223 and 3294lb.
Mustang V6 305/280 and 3453lb.
Camaro V6 323/278 3780lb.
Challenger V6 305/268 3834lb.
RX-8 212/159 3111lb.

Every other 2+2 RWD coupe is more or less by 10%.

Miata is its best challenger imo. Very cheap and very light and an engine with a good selection of aftermarket parts. The other cars may be better for practical purposes because they are bigger but they pay the price in weight.

The engine might flow well, but I can virtually guarantee that the motor wont take 550whp for a long time. Budgets rule and $25k for a new car doesnt usually allow a budget for a super heavy duty bottom end.

It is a good buy for the price range, its just a bit too on the edge of teenage for me.

If I didn't have a 370z, I would definitely buy a FRS. But I already have my 370z which I'm really happy with.

You can scratch the genesis coupe 2.0 from that list. It looks like come 2012. In other words, inside of 6 months. The 2.0 gencoupe will be a 271hp/276lb-tq vehicle and the 3.8 will be a 345hp/290lb-tq vehicle. That means even the 2.0 will be closer to being our competitor than the FRS.
With the engine update they're getting... once they upgrade intake and exhaust/BOV, wastegate and turbo timer.... they will give us stock Z owners something to worry about. (I think? Lol)

No don't think I could, I love that fact that I don't see Z's on every corner, that would definitely be lost with this car

If I didn't already have a Z and was on a stricter budget, it would definitely be an option...stock wheels are yuck though

I wouldn't get either. If I had 25k to spend and not much more I would hands down get a WRX. I think for 25k there really isn't a better car. Not saying the Gen coup is bad, it's just that it hasn't even come out yet and will be new to the market where as the Suby has been proven. I know that the moment I take the car home I can go to Cobb for Stage 2 and have myself a high 12 sec car that is still very reliable, all weather, holds 4 people comfortably instead of either coupes cramped backseat, and will still corner decently enough.

However, I would agree with what you are implying. The BRZ/FR-S is substandard compared to other cars in it's price range except the Miata. I think people are expecting this car to do well like the miata but they are forgetting one thing; it's not convertable. The miata does well because it's cheap, sporty, and you can put the top down. It's a great car for someone who can care less about performance but still wants something sporty and fun. 99% of Miata drivers are not on the auto-x course as some would have you think. The problem with the BRZ/FR-S is that it's basically in the same category as the Miata in that it will be for those who could care less about performance, except that you can't put the top down. When you have that 30-40 year old guy or girl who wants something cute and fun, chances are they are going to go with the one that they can put the top down.

I think the brz can be compared to an s2000 as well.

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Right. But you forgot to account something in..

IT LOOKS UGLY

If I only had 25k i'd buy a used Z or G. Lol.

PS looks are subjective.

Looks are subjective and though it's true you can get a Z or other better car for the same cost used, I don't like comparing used to new for prices. It's like comparing modded to stock, it's not really fair. It's like saying I could get a used GT-R for the price of a new IS-F. Yeah, but that's not like saying they are in the same league/market either. It's also cool that that's what you would do. I just don't think it's fair to compare the 2 that way.

Unknown, definitely not knocking on your comment or anything. I am sure many would make the same decision.

I'm not comparing... I'm just saying. Lol. I basically disagree about comparing used to new is like comparing modded to stock. Night and die. Especially if you're buying certified. And lord knows I've bout enough cars to know the difference. But if we gonna get technical to that degree then I wouldn't pick a gencoupe for 25k because I'm pretty sure the 2.0 will start right under 28k. I think gen prices are going up do to kia working on a RWD coupe.
So the FR-S seems like the best choice right now. That or a WRX. Miatas are too girlie.

Don't sweat it...:tup:

I own a 2010 Genesis Coupe and a 370z... I'd never give up my Z for a car like the Genesis.