lol yes!!!! A built in oil cooler!! WHAT A CONCEPT N I S S A N !!!!

'Murica!! We want fast cars, McMansions, and supersized processed meals because WE CAN!!! :rofl2:

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Lurker here...

I'm not at all being demeaning here, but how many of you have driven a 911 being driven hard? I'm genuinely curious. I have no experience even sitting in a 370z so I can't make a great comparison. However, this past weekend I had about 15 minutes in a 997 Carrera S being driven by a track instructor, on a track. Again, I can't compare it to the performance of a 370, but my goodness the 911 was unbelievable. I should mention that it was a stock car (except brakes, I think) on stock tires.

Curious if anyone else has experience in a 370 (duh) and a newer 911 at the limit?

You will get another cool car, and a better job. Good luck man.

Last summer I got to drive the hell out of c4 convertible, was from 2003 I believe. Was a blast to drive, the girl I was seeing let me "borrow" it for the weekend, was her mom's. I drove it like I stole it, was the only stick shift porsche I drove around... I had an 06 g35 coupe back then, which drove like a slug in comparison. Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure they put down similar power. (315 hp vs 296). I loved my G, but the feeling of cruising in that Porsche was just awesome. Took it out by the beach here on Long Island, drove it for hours... I def wouldn't mind having one!

Other Porsche's I've driven are 93 c2 convertible, and a very old one (1980 911 SC targa). I didn't get to have nearly as much fun with those as the other other car I mentioned.

Porsche is much much better engineered car. The new 991 Carrera S is lighter than previous model. It iwas as fast as 997 GT3 around nurburgring. That's with a smaller motor!

The GTR is a much bigger car and while it may have better acceleration the 991 is much more agile car. Tough to compare the two. 991 is way more car than the Z could ever hope to be.

Porsche prices reflect limited production model. they charge what they can to make set number of cars. They aren't interested in being cost competitive. They still offer very compelling car that is in demand. It's not just the name. If I could justify $100k for a car 991 would be on my shopping list.

Interesting thing is Porsche makes all that performance without large displacement or blowers. It does it with litte 3.4 and 3.6 liter motors that I'm sure results in great mpg.

That Porsche 3.6 in the 991 CS is smaller than our Z motor and makes 50 more hp than a Nismo with a 3.7. the Porsche also loses a lot less power in their drive trains than our Z's. You'd have to make 425 hp to match Porsche 400 hp. And don't even start on rear traction advantage Porsche has. Then look at porsche PDK tranny it's way cool. Porsche is all about efficient design. I haven't seen weight for 991 but it's supposed to be 100 lbs less than outgoing 997.

Let me see if I understood you... Porsche FTMFW? lol :p

Porsche is good stuff. They are just... right.

Why would someone pay 100k for a porsche when cheaper nissans can go just as fast? Well, for the same reason someone spends 20k on a Breitling watch when a $50 casio from wal mart can tell the time just as good. Some people want elite brands and the prestige that comes with it.

I've got a lot of watches (some pretty pricey) and you know what I wear all the time? My G-Shock. And it'll outlast all of 'em. ;)

It's funny how people have such strong opinions about cars that they have never driven before.

You know what they say about opinions! :icon17:

For $100K I can see a 911 but it is the Z06 Carbon that beckons me. Every day it dances through my mind.

I can just go buy it, keep the Z or not, but I'd need to work longer before retirement. Not my favorite thought.

I will just go with my current slogan. "If I had the better car too, it just wouldn't be fair." :icon17:

If I had the means, I'd buy it for the simple reason that it's a Porsche.... Heck, I'd probably have a Z and GT-R in the stable if money really wasn't an issue. Picking one over the other is kind of like choosing which supermodel I'd rather want to see naked tonight.....


all of them :)

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you and red_zed both share the same arze? :icon17:

What do our arzes have in common? They both process charburgers. :|:bowrofl:

oh yuk... :icon14:

Don't act like your hatch isn't full of them right now.

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"It's not just a sporty car, it's a sporty car with prestige and the best materials and build quality. 911's are known as daily drivable sports cars."
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Im in Germany and Avis has a great rental program of just about any Porsche but the Turbo or GT2/3.
The new 911's are technical marvels but do cost alot of money. They are excellent daily drivers and Porsche has 1 very impressive sports car racing record! They are good machines. If I had the money I would have a 911-C4S and my Z.

That's really great point. Porsches have amazingly compliant suspensions that feel down right comfy on the street. They then can go to track and hang with stiffly sprung sports cars.

My one complaint about the 370 z is that it doesn't take rough roads with nearly grace of my Porsches. But it's still a fun car!

I picked 370z Nismo over used 2006 Cayman S because the Z was more of raw old school sports car feel to me than the Cayman S. It's been fun going to PCA events and beating Caymans and GT3s in autocross events. PCA guys call my car the Porsche killer. ...at least the nice guys do. Lol!

Yes I had some fun with my Lotus Esprits in the same sense. One could pull up to the track, take out lunch suit up and just go driving and be quite happy. Others would have a mechanic or 2 and need some assistance and my little 4cyl turbo would do the business for me no technical assistance required.
I am not surprised to hear you have the same luck and fun with the Nismo! I considered a Cayman prior to the purchase of the Z but loved the feel of the Z. The Cayman was a known quantity for me and I have had alot of mid engine experience. Time for something different and here in Germany, the Z is almost exotic in the sea of Caymans/Boxsters/911's here in the South of Germany. Im quite happy with the choice.

You really "donno".

They are really different and have totally different driving dynamics. A Z is front engine. A cayman is a mid engine. The C2 is a rear engine.

Try looking past printed 0-60, 1/4 mile, HP/TQ. You need to drive a Porsche to understand why some people are willing to pay the huge premium to drive them. Road feel, braking, steering feel, balance, driver inspired confidence, refinement it's all there.

There are a few exceptions like early 997.1 and Caymans with oil starvation and oil seal failures. For the most part they hold up to harder then normal use better then most cars. Not too many cars you can drive hard on a track with not much to modified.

A Z is a great car for it's price point but not a Porsche. A Porsche offers near supercar performance and can be driven as a daily driver due to it's refinement. Most people who question a P-Car have never actually driven one or is not financially ready to buy one yet.

GT-R is super deal, offers super performance that is superior to most Porsche models, but not nearly as refined as a daily driver as a Porsche. I can understand putting up with all the transmission noises and stiff suspension though. The GT-R is really one of those super great cars at any price.

Like M4A1,

If I buy a Porsche, its because its a Porsche. And its HAS TO BE a 911. Hell I had Porsche posters on my wall as a kid. It also has become a symbol to me. When I no longer have a mortgage, retire, and hopefully be done with kids and start working on grandkids, I plan on driving a 911 from retirement until my death. Just how I always have seen it.

Of course it could be that Porsche is awesome because Germany hasn't outlawed the use of unicorn blood, which we all know works better with rear-engined cars anyway! P-Car+unicorn blood=FTW!

That's why they call the 911 the midlife crisis car :roflpuke2::icon17:

I think if you're going to track a car, your best bet is to step down a price range or two from what you think you can afford anyways. If you're in a money situation to afford daily driving a Porsche, you're in about the right money situation to do serious amateur racing in a Z and not get killed on it financially. If you can afford to really race a Porsche on your own dime, you're getting pretty far up there in the financial hierarchy of the world :).

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Owned a boxster. Driven a C2 a few times. Yes they are refined and the engineering is great. I just don't know about the price point vs. the sexiness of the car. IMO it's pretty plain jane unless you step it up to a GTwhatever series but then the price point climbs past what a typical 911 owner can afford as well I guess. Or maybe not. Maybe they just don't want the "flash" of a GT3/2. Me... I'll take the flash :D

The regular 911s are about balance. They balance power, luxury, flash, etc. They are just classy.

And you can get one of about 500 different models, so one is bound to tickle your fancy.

I suppose a CS with the optional aero kit in a dark blue would tickle my fancy ;)

I am not sure if it's been discussed in this thread or not, but the 2012 CS posted a 7 minute 40 second lap at the Nurburgring. That's pretty respectable.

I am lusting after one in red. With the options I want I get an MSRP of $115k. Not really sure I want to spend that on a car at the moment. ;)

That '12 C2S at 7 min 40 sec lap is 13 seconds faster then the out going '11 997 C2S, about the same as the '11 GT3!

2012 Porsche 911 lops 13 seconds off predecessor's 'Ring time, quick as 997 GT3

How do you get past Porsche's most evil of evils? Their options page! I try to build and i have trouble keeping below 125k. seriously you could get lost on their options list.

The options themselves aren't that plentiful, but god damnit are they expensive. :bowrofl:

I start off with the $78k base (or whatever it is) and think, "Ok, Steve, you can do this..."

A few clicks later and BAM I'm already over $100k. :bowrofl:

Honestly, sometimes the options list is confusing. I did another build today with the Cs and bam i hit 130k thinking I was doing barebones necessary.

I think porshe should invest in building brokers and advisors. I don't think a 911 is in the cards for a long time. I will wait until my yearly salary exceeds that of the base model before I take a serious look (more than drooling and dreaming.......with a box of tissues and lube)

Go used. It is amazing how much cheaper a 3 year old 911 is compared to new. Solid car, an inspection, an extended warranty and bam; you are good to go.