Never said it didn't. I'm just saying you've never pulled 1.01gs in a stock car (or .94 or whatever the base model pulls). With stockish camber settings, you'll never get there.


Don't confuse handling like rails in the twisties with track performance. Our hottest run on the dragon was maybe 7/10s of what an sp z could do.

Where are you looking up the weather data Dan? I have trouble finding the barometric pressure and humidity if it's not already in dragtimes database.

Hmmm...I don't have access to the site I used to use since it was an internal school site. Let me see if I can find someone to dig it up...

The only times the car feels unglued to me are when the tires are shot, when it's super cold outside, or when the road is bumpy. Otherwise, it's very well planted.

I haven't heard too many of the tracking members here complain about their Z's handling, but perhaps I need to pay more attention.

Dan, your Mustang is dumb. Even amongst other Mustangs. They laugh about it behind its back. :ugh2:

Cool, thanks! What I did before was use data from some other track in MD that dragtimes did have and just assumed it was the same.

The few track guys left that run seriously are running 3* of camber up front to battle the chassis. There aren't really many good Fca options either, so you wind up with slip.


Again, the z is super planted on the street. You have to wrench the wheel to get the back end out, and even when it does break loose, it's all front, so anyone can correct it. Makes for great, safe fun on the street.

But saying a car feels planted on the street is doesn't give any idea how it handles at the limit (unless you are recklessly endangering people, and I know you're too mature for that)

And yes...all the other mustangs make fun of mine for being the only one without 400 whp :rofl2:

I know there's a huge difference in track vs street, but I also know that mag times are not perfectly applicable to either really. They have both sets of enthusiasts as their audience.

It's why I hate when people bark mag numbers out, because I mentally append to each statement...

note: these are not z-specifc numbers, just examples
0-60 in less than 5 under perfect conditions
0.96 on the skid under perfect conditions
7:35 around the Nring under perfect conditions
335hp under perfect conditions
45mpg under perfect conditions
etc

And those conditions vary. Testers specialize on what will get the best numbers.

Just because my Z is capable of sub-5 second 0-60 times, that doesn't imply that i'll ever hit that or that I'd even want to on a public road.

I wasn't completely arguing, just saying that i love my car's handling, and I'll add that Mustangs handle just as well from what we've all seen together on the Dragon.

Yeah, thats why i get annoyed when people spit times as proof. If you like your car for what it is, you don't need proof. It's purely subjective. No one (now) buys a z for track times. The guys still running it are on it because they're heavily invested in the platform. But that doesn't make it a bad car.

The z was designed with beating the caymans mag numbers in mind, and it turned out to do exactly that...without beating it on the track. As a result, the car is kind of an oddity--but for some people, it fits a perfect niche that no car was in before--sweet handling, small enough to be sporty, but roomy inside, and a relative ton of power. If you're looking for the z's mix, it's the perfect car.

:iagree:

also you can trick mustang owners into them for mag lite sessions from what I've heard.

As a fun note... The z fuels starves if you run the skidpad in the other direction:rofl2:

;)

I had mufflers on, which add a whopping 0 hp. :tup:

Trailing arms as well correct?

Ah yes, the ones I promptly removed because they didn't do a goddamn thing. :icon17:

If I can run a 12.87 doing this:



You can imagine I'd run much quicker with traction. The car is good for low 12s on drag radials in stock trim.

Steve= cheating bastard

Cheated on you with your face.

God damnit Dan your inbox is full.

:mad:

Maybe on purpose??

Or maybe the people just love me

That's actually a 370z with a Mustang body kit.

THIS IS HOW I DROVE THE DRAGON SO FAST!!!!

:bowrofl:

+ sra

lulz were had this day

Quick question for anyone that may have some insight into a prob I just ran into. I was over a fellow Z owners house an hour or so ago and went to show him how you can switch between tuning maps on my UpRev. I couldnt get the maps to switch at all!! To anyone unfamiliar w how you switch tunes on an UpReved car you hold one of the cruise buttons on the steering wheel and cycle using the cruise flippy switch on the wheel. The number of times you flick the flippy switch indicates which tune it should switch too then your cruise light on the dash blinks the same #of times the switch was flipped, further showing what tune was selected. What could possibly have made this stop working????

Hmm, not sure bro. Hopefully someone can help you out.

Lol nevermind, just spoke to Triple's. I was pressing the button I should have been holding and holding the button I should have been pressing. Im a facking idiot. Big stoner moment for me.

:bowrofl: Glad you sorted it out!

:tup:

Well guys... esp, Dan and Steve, you guys are the culprit. I took the plunge.

I reverted my Z back to stock last night... got a little sad last night. But this morning, I drove her to the Ford dealership, traded her in.... they had a 2012 used GT premium there with no brembo. I test drove it with a buddy, and after 20 minutes behind the wheel and non-stop grinning ear to ear, I came out of that car saying, "Where do I sign?". After that test drive, I waved bye to my Z and never looked back.

Ford really impressed me... I thought they came a long way, but I must admit I went in with the expectation (test drive) that it would be less than the Z overall... I was wrong. I now know what the slogan means (and when you guys say) "Drive One.".

IMO, the fit and finish is on par with the Z. The ride (even without the BBP) rode as well as my Z I thought... it was tight and controlled. The steering was maybe a little less communicative than the Z, but not by much. I can't imagine how much better the BBP equipped 5.0's would be. I can now see what you mean, Dan.... these 5.0's can keep up if not surpass the Z's no problem.

But then we come to power and torque and transmission. By far, the 5.0 blows the Z out of the park. I sat there and rev'd that thing for a couple of minutes. The sound alone is enough to make me sign the papers. In stock form, mind you. When have you seen the car "move" when sitting in park and revving? I could just feel the power and torque in there. The transmission was light years better than the Z. I thought the Z was good, but I was fooling myself into loving that transmission. The Z tranny was loose, rattly, and unrefined. The 5.0 tranny was tight, smooth, and QUIET. How a tranny should be. The clutch feel on the 5.0 was also superb. Hands-down. Period. Those of you that don't believe me, indeed drive one. I'm a believer.

So anyways, I ordered a 2012 Kona Blue GT Prem with BBP and 3.73. Comes in December. I can't wait.

I hope to stay on this forum a while since I met some great friends. Dan and Steve, thanks again for your input. Now I can fit my wife and kid in the car at the same time.

Glad you liked the car, man! If you were impressed by the non-Brembo car I think you'll love it once yours comes in. The Brembo cars are fantastic. :tup:

Congrats on the new ride man!!

Red, m4a1 would you please:gtfo2: You're like a virus destroying my beautiful Z community. Before I know it you will have me knockin a few teeth out and throwin a pair of overalls on to mosey down to the ol ford dealership to by me one of those new fangled fancy mustangs. The end of the world is truely upon us.

You should test drive one :stirthepot:

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

Isn't it funny that both Dan and I run 370Z clubs? :bowrofl:

True car enthusiast clubs:tiphat:


Btw, cleared some space.

Haha not their fault alchemy. I was looking to replace the z because my kid is growing up and wants to be with me all the time. Now i can him and wife in it. The fact that the 5.0 was (imo) better than the z was truly a bonus. I think z owners shouldn't test drive one. They trade theirs all in. Lol

I've been loving this Dodge Dakota v8 I've been driving around as a rental while my Z is being fixed. The big american v8 engine has nice torque, for a big truck it moves, and sounds really cool I think. I never really had an open mind to want an american muscle car before, but I think I may reconsider this eventually, and would love to checkout a new mustang.

fact still remains Z looks better then any mustang

I have been thinking about it. But thats all I would do is test drive it. I could never sell my Z for it even if it is better, Im too much of a Z fanboy. Dont get me wrong, much like you guys I am an automotive enthusiast. Even beyond just cars, I love anything w a motor. It just so happens that the Z is my fav car, Ive been around Z's my whole life. Its in my blood. It also just so happens that I loathe Mustangs. I used to have a good reason too, they are poorly made pieces of not that fast crud that cant take a turn. Then this stupid 5.0 returns and actually does good #'s:facepalm: I do have A LITTLE newfound respect for the Stang, I really do. But as Ive said before the Z just has a special aura about it. IMO. I slide into the cockpit and feel like a million bucks, I know sliding into a Stang cockpit could never invoke the same feeling. To each his own though right? I must say chatting w you guys has helped calm my "Mustang Rage". Hope we all get to rip some turns at ZDAYZ:tup:

Ps. At least I can still find solice in the fact that we are comparing a v8 to a v6.