I dont troll d¡ck. Sorry I dont like Hyundai's nor would I pay 100k for one. Its nice to see sponsors acting professional on here. Next time I drop a couple G's into my car ill be sure to order from your site.

you can't really say that... but I know what you mean lol

Hey, so I did a bit of research on Vivid Racing.

-They have been around for 10 years.
-The owner, Dan Mermelstein, (like most people who's name ends in "stein":p), makes well over 1/4 million a year.
-Having worked in the automotive and other industries myself, I know that some guy like you, with your mentality, could likely cost well over the profit margin on $2K in goods/service if I actually try to make you happy with the service/purchase. Your business could likely have a NEGATIVE impact on Vivid Racing's net income.
-Sponsors pay to be sponsors. They can spend their money any way they want, and if they want to prevent you from spending your money with them being calling you out, that's their business.

True, but the GT-R also has 40 years of lineage and a proven background. No Hyundai model can make that claim.

My issue with Hyundais in general is a philosophical one; they didn't necessarily have to work to get where they are. It's easy to stand on the shoulders of innovators and reverse engineer your competitors' efforts; it's something entirely different to come up with groundbreaking designs and technologies that their Japanese counterparts pioneered before them.

But I must give credit where it's due; progress is progress. Anyone who's driven an early 90's Hyundai can attest just how far they've come. :icon17: 100k Hyundai? Maybe with someone else's money. .02

The other japanese companies rode the shoulders of other companies to get to a point ehere they could innovate themselves

And if you look at hyundai outside the us their diesels have been extremely good all over.

Their 6 speed trannies now days aremvery nice and efficient compared to most..

Problem is everyones opinion of hyundai comes without alot of knowledge of the whole company and their capabilities outside the us

I wish Hyundai well with this, honestly, cause if they hit a home run, all the other companies will take notice and improve their offerings.

BUT, I feel like they're jumping the gun just a hair. Before they bring a 100K sports car to market, maybe they should move up to a 50-60K car and compete against the vette etc first.

Then, if they are successful, gain some respect from the masses for that, it's not so much of a jump to then bring out a 100K competitor to the GTR, ZR1 etc.

I agree with you my good man. They only benifit is the tech is very available now days.. and Hyundai will benifit from other companies success... im willing to bet, they have a vette or 2, and a GTR in thier company stable :)

No doubt, I'm sure pretty much every manufacturer has a few of their competitiors cars in their stable. When the R35 GTR was being developed, nissan was driving a couple 911 turbos along with their prototypes at the 'ring. :tup:

If the next gen genesis coupe comes with that v8 of theirs packing around 400 horses under the hood, the Z will really need to step up to the plate.

The NAME has that background, but what does the platform/engine/driveline have?

I agree. People are going to look to the Genesis to see how Hyundai has been doing. So far, it has slotted in beneath it's competitors. Maybe they are going to rely on decisively superior 'ring times/magazine numbers and first-impression upon seeing the interior?

and it's not even a SKYLINE.. it's just a GTR..

The GT-R uses the AWD attesa system that was improved upon with subsequent iterations of the previous skyline GT-R. The GT-R's VQ engine is an improvement over a VQ engine series that has been on Wards 10 best engine list since the beginning minus 1 or 2 years. Just because a platform or name change occurs, doesn't mean you throw out the experience Nissan has had building a sports car for 50+ years.

But like I said, good for Hyundai for attempting. Everyone has to start somewhere. I applaud their effort and hope they come up with a good car.

I would also point out that the GT-R's transmission had no predecessor, and their failures showed it.

Further, Nissan was pioneering Ford's technology for them regarding the engine in the GT-R, referencing the cylinder "lining". I am unaware of any production Ford vehicle that actually used this plasma transfer process as early as the GT-R. Is anyone else?

yea i had someone correct me saying that nissan got the tech for the plasma liners for the cylinders from ford but i couldn't figure out what they used it on before the GTR...