The other japanese companies rode the shoulders of other companies to get to a point ehere they could innovate themselves

And if you look at hyundai outside the us their diesels have been extremely good all over.

Their 6 speed trannies now days aremvery nice and efficient compared to most..

Problem is everyones opinion of hyundai comes without alot of knowledge of the whole company and their capabilities outside the us

I wish Hyundai well with this, honestly, cause if they hit a home run, all the other companies will take notice and improve their offerings.

BUT, I feel like they're jumping the gun just a hair. Before they bring a 100K sports car to market, maybe they should move up to a 50-60K car and compete against the vette etc first.

Then, if they are successful, gain some respect from the masses for that, it's not so much of a jump to then bring out a 100K competitor to the GTR, ZR1 etc.

I agree with you my good man. They only benifit is the tech is very available now days.. and Hyundai will benifit from other companies success... im willing to bet, they have a vette or 2, and a GTR in thier company stable :)

No doubt, I'm sure pretty much every manufacturer has a few of their competitiors cars in their stable. When the R35 GTR was being developed, nissan was driving a couple 911 turbos along with their prototypes at the 'ring. :tup:

If the next gen genesis coupe comes with that v8 of theirs packing around 400 horses under the hood, the Z will really need to step up to the plate.

The NAME has that background, but what does the platform/engine/driveline have?

I agree. People are going to look to the Genesis to see how Hyundai has been doing. So far, it has slotted in beneath it's competitors. Maybe they are going to rely on decisively superior 'ring times/magazine numbers and first-impression upon seeing the interior?

and it's not even a SKYLINE.. it's just a GTR..

The GT-R uses the AWD attesa system that was improved upon with subsequent iterations of the previous skyline GT-R. The GT-R's VQ engine is an improvement over a VQ engine series that has been on Wards 10 best engine list since the beginning minus 1 or 2 years. Just because a platform or name change occurs, doesn't mean you throw out the experience Nissan has had building a sports car for 50+ years.

But like I said, good for Hyundai for attempting. Everyone has to start somewhere. I applaud their effort and hope they come up with a good car.

I would also point out that the GT-R's transmission had no predecessor, and their failures showed it.

Further, Nissan was pioneering Ford's technology for them regarding the engine in the GT-R, referencing the cylinder "lining". I am unaware of any production Ford vehicle that actually used this plasma transfer process as early as the GT-R. Is anyone else?

yea i had someone correct me saying that nissan got the tech for the plasma liners for the cylinders from ford but i couldn't figure out what they used it on before the GTR...

From what I read a few months back, the 2011 GT500 was the first car Ford used it on, but had been researched by them since the early 90's.

But you stooped down to a lowly Datsun, which weren't exactly viewed in the best of lights in the 60s and 70s.

There is no VQ in the GT-R. The VR38 and the VQ share absolutely nothing in common.

You're right, it is a VR engine. But my point was that even though the name changes don't you think Nissan learned alot from the VQ engine? Do you think Nissan would have been able to build a VR engine without previous experience from the VQ engine?

so korean companies can def not make a nice car on their first try.

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they're going to have to. What else will they be able to bring to the table? No competitive racing pedigree ala corvette, porsche, GTR; no name brank recognition (same examples). they will have to soley rely on having an honest to goodness awesome example of automotive engineering.

Honestly, i don't think they'll get it 100% right on the first try, but if they get 85-90% of the way there, they'll def put everyone on notice since their next gen will def be a huge step up if their history is any indication.

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Pretty much what's happening with the Genesis coupe.

they need to include a 10 year maintanence package... f yea!

Hyundai could make a car that was well worth 100k, if it wanted to. It all depends on how much time, energy, and money they choose to spend on R&D and development. With enough money you can basically build anything.

Yes. It took Nissan 8 years to develop the GT-R. And Nissan has had great motors long before the VQ - the VG and even VE were indestructible. It's not like in one fell swoop Nissan knew exactly what kind of motor to design and use for the GT-R. It took countless changes and many years.

one question. why is everyone assuming that since the company hasnt built one, that none of the engineers have been part of super car projects?

that none of the companies they consult with have any experience.

Hyundai has worked with Porsche and the Ferrari outfitters before... And its not unhread of that companies collaborate or share ideas/technology even with competition?

Jus sayin..

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/w...ar-Concept.jpg

All perceptions of hyundai as a brand aside, I wouldn't pay 100k for that because IT'S ******* HIDEOUS! :roflpuke2:

^ d i t t o ! ! !

im glad you pulled up a 2004 concept car.

nearly every pure concept car ever made is hidious.

Don't blame me, it's the image from the article linked in the OP.

Where do you see a $50k Mazda in the market??? Maybe when they come out with the RX-9>>...remember Mazda is the only Japanese company to win the ledendary 24hour of Lemans in the ledgendary 787B 4-rotory:bowrofl: