Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1138814)

I would have no problem buying a Shelby. I can afford it. I make plenty a month, I have a great credit score, I have plenty in the bank for a down payment. I just grew up in a house where cars were deemed transpartation and not recreation. It took a year deployment for me to convince myself to spend $36k on a car in the first place. My wife tried to get me to buy a conv g37 when the didn't have the coupe w/ 6mt. That would have been the same cost as the Shelby I saw.

Originally Posted by SmoothZ (Post 1138693)

You are cheap, you just have beertaste on a champaignbudget. I wouldn't pay that kind of money if I didn't have it or knew I couldn't afford it.

Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm (Post 1137995)

No Mustang has ever been considered Supercar worthy. Its great for straight line red light to next red light but it seriously lacks Supercar handling. Its great for throwing around curves and fishtailing like the Bandit. And now they want to add more power to it when the power it has now cant be applied to the ground?

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 1138664)

Is that so? and who are you to judge this exactly? Dont know if you know this, but a $45k daily driver put down a better lap time at Laguna Seca than an Audi R8... so what again, makes a supercar?

Originally Posted by Lug (Post 1139345)

Perhaps a quick read for enlightenment.....

2010 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport vs. 2011 Ford Shelby GT500 ? Performance Car Road Test on RoadandTrack.com

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 1138664)

Is that so? and who are you to judge this exactly? Dont know if you know this, but a $45k daily driver put down a better lap time at Laguna Seca than an Audi R8... so what again, makes a supercar?

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 1138675)

oh, theres this.

Video: MT five-figure supercar comparo pits Corvette Z06 vs. Shelby GT500 vs. GT-R — Autoblog

Motortrend thinks so...

Originally Posted by Lug (Post 1139345)

Perhaps a quick read for enlightenment.....

2010 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport vs. 2011 Ford Shelby GT500 ? Performance Car Road Test on RoadandTrack.com

Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm (Post 1139753)

IDK, I read that article twice. It seems the bang for the buck goes to the Mustang even though acceleration was slower, braking was longer, its slower in the slolam. The Mustang outperformed the the GS in the lateral Gs. The Mustang has 112 more hp than the GS and yet only was able to beat the GS in lateral Gs and price.

Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1140811)

First, in the words of great men everywhere "you can never have too much power"
Second, I truly believe that if the shelby and the Z were the same price everyone would have bought the Shelby.

Originally Posted by Lug (Post 1140801)

"Regardless, with the time recorded the 2011 shelby GT500 Mustang beats some fairly elite company with far larger pricetags, such as the Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI, the Ford GT supercar, Dodge Viper SRT-10 and the Porsche 997 GT3 – to name a few."

Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1142415)

What a supercar should be:

1. Expensive high end car
2. it must be very fast
3. sporting handling to match the speed and power
4. it should be a refined and exodic design
5. price should be of an amount respective to the car's limited nature
6. marketed by automakers to be unusual
7. limited production specials from an "elite" automaker
8. models that appeal to "hardcore enthusiasts" from manufacturers on the fringe of the car industry

I wouldnt put the Shelby or GTR in "supercar" catigory. Im not saying that they cant keep up with some supercars but I will argue that with parked next to a true supercar anyone can tell the difference.

Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1136296)

So I took my wife and her explorer in to the dealer today to fix a creak in the drivers side door. We are also considering trading it for the new explorer so we went into the showroom. The first thing to catch my eye is a 2012 black Shelby. Man it was really nice. I joked with my wife about trading in my Z for it. Everytime we talk about my Z she states how good of a wife she is for letting me a father of 3 have a 2 seat car. So what do I say? "The Shelby has 4 seats!" she wasn't amused. She asked me why I didn't get it to begin with. I thought about the Shelby, but in the end I'm just too cheap to but a $55k car. Maybe when I'm old and retired, but not now.

Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm (Post 1141264)

My opinion is the Mustang GT500 is a brute power monster and not a Supercar. Much like the Viper. Just because it made it around VIR quicker than some other cars does not mean that it did with any sort of prowess. For all I know the Mustangs time consisted of white knockle ragged edge driving while the Ford GT was composed and controlled around the track. My guess would be whoever drove any of those cars around VIR would not pick the GT500 as their first choice.

I am not saying that the GT500 isnt a badass car, I just dont think it will ever be a "supercar"

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1138994)

Im pretty happy that I can keep myself entertained with relatively inexpensive cars. My problem is my desire to get a new one every week. :icon17:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1142632)

That doesn't end. I find myself wondering what I will trade the Z06 in on. So far a Z06/Z07 last-year C6Z and a '10 Last Edition Viper are the two I am looking at. The GT-R? I just don't trust it enough to want to own one, as whatever I buy next I am going to hold onto for a while until I get a house, etc. GT-R would be like a 300ZX. Fun until warranty was gone. Then a nightmare.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1138994)

Im pretty happy that I can keep myself entertained with relatively inexpensive cars. My problem is my desire to get a new one every week. :icon17:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1142661)

Criteria: Two doors, no roof, manual transmission, great handling, not slow, yellow.

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1142841)

I'm obsessed right now with what my next DD will be, and at worst, that decision is still 8 months away. If I'm responsible, the decision is still years away.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1142866)

Also steve, I would rule out the s2000. I have heard they have awful steering feel, and are girly cars.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1142628)

I think the GT500 is just a few points shy of greatness.

-155mph speed limiter is kinda lame
-nearly 30# 2-piece driveshaft? Fail
-They STILL have transmission issues
-285's out back when they lay down 485 to the tires!?
-Solid rear-axle and no Fays setup?

However, in its defense...

-485whp!!!
-Fully forged and nearly bulletproof motor!
-Very nice interior/NAV setup!
-RECARO's!!!

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1142628)

Wrong. There are tons of mustangs, so I agree on that point. However, Viper production is EXTREMELY low. What is it, 20-25K cars produced...since 1992? It is a rare car, and it has the power and handling to land it among the best. True supercar.

Originally Posted by Lug (Post 1143033)

I'm starting to understand "porsche" logic more and more thanks to this fine thread. :D

Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm (Post 1142874)

Well said.




I guess I consider the Viper, GT500, and Vette ZR1 to be American Muscle cars and not Supercars. Although the ZR1 is very very close.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Supercar is a term used most often to describe an expensive high end car. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car". Stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own
However, the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. So-called vehicles are typically out of the ordinary and are marketed by automakers to be perceived by the public as unusual. The supercar can take many forms including limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard looking cars made by mainstream companies that hide massive power and performance, as well as models that appeal to "hardcore enthusiasts" from "manufacturers on the fringe of the car industry."

Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1144805)

I think the viper lacks the refinement of a supercar. I put it in the highend corvette relm. I still wouldn't put it in the same category as the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG or Audi R8 or Most Ferraris or Lamborghinis

Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1144844)

someone at a porsche dealership once told me it had to be at or above 200$ to qualify for a super car... :bowrofl:

Originally Posted by MC (Post 1144868)

:shakes head: everyone knows its $100K :icon17:

Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1144843)

this brings into question then, the term exotic...

are all exotics super cars? or are all super cars exotics?

it's all subjective in nature... like whats a sports car...

Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1144987)

I wouldn't say that...but I would say that most American cars are too common to qualify.

As for american made the one the pops into mind is the ford GT. I would call it a super car.