Hyundai Genesis to compete with 370Z now?
 

didnt we see this yesterday? :confused:

were you offline yesterday op? :icon17: ;)

NOT AGAIN!!! :shakes head:

its estimated curb weight is 3800-4050.....no compie comp

one hyundai thread is enough ;)

Yeah and you have to explain to your neighbors and friends why you bought an expensive Hyundai. With the Z, you dont have to explain anything.

Is that weight for the sedan or for the coupe?

If this is for the sedan, I would assume the coupe is lighter... However, the coupe doesn't get the V8 engine.. Only V6..

I was at the media event yesterday. The 5.0 Rspec Genesis is the SEDAN. There was no mention of an R-spec coupe. And frankly, an R-spec sedan was a stupid move by Hyundai. They should have done an R-spec coupe instead.

they have an r-spec coupe.

2.0t. no frills. lower weight. brembo brakes, lsd etc.

what you should be saying is: they need to do a r-spec v6 gen coupe. cus they dont have that.

Sedan

I stand corrected but they actually do have an r-spec V6 now too (just checked the website). Didn't realize they slipped in a few extra models of the coupe, including an r-spec V6. To restate my idea more correctly, they need to introduce a new coupe with bigger balls (aka engine upgrade) to compete with the Z.

I was referencing the 332 hp / 290 tq V6 Genesis coupe, not the sedan, as being the competitor which you will find further down the post, not the R-Spec sedan.

The sedan is a different car completely really. The coupe though only weighs about 100-125lbs more than our cars. With more torque and some mods they would be a good competitor I think (also if they get rid of that redline induced power chop by the ECU).

oh whoops! I'm so used to the Z getting compared to V8's.....i still dont hink it will compete though

I think that the fact that the Hyundai 3.8l V6 is getting direct injection is a good sign that the mid cycle refresh for the VQ37 will include some direct injection to keep its advantage.

it's a good thing. competition will make both hyundai and nissan cars better.

see what happens with ford and chevrolet, the mustang and camaro both get better every year.

A repost of the joke thread I started, but you are serious. :shakes head:

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...literally.html

If they come out wih the 5.0l in the coupe, I'll certainly be looking at it. You'd be silly not to at least look at a car w/that much power at that price point. It may not make the overall grade, but it's power per buck ratio will be impressive. Many are saying they can't fit it into the coupe but I find that odd. Do they really have different engine bay sizes between the coupe and sedan? That just seems odd.

I stand corrected too when did they introduce a r-spec v6!

I must be silly then as I would not look at it...

Actually they do have different engine bay sizes, I believe two years ago a company for SEMA putted the V8 into the gen coupe and had to do a lot of modifications and ended up making it a a mid-engine car with the engine right behind the seats.

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You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig. Lot more to making Hyundai Gen Coupe competitive with Z by just upping HP. Its a weak sports car by any measure.

no. its a weak sports car by a completely biased opinion like yours.

its alot better than most people on here are willing to give it credit for. Not a z by any means, but then im sure theres a crowd out there calling our z's pigs.

imho comparing a hyundai to a 370 is like comparing a corvette to a mustang.

plus would you really be proud to say i bought a hyundai :bowrofl:

im proud i purchased a 2006 fully loaded v6 hyundai sonata that at 90k miles has never given one problem and at the time of purchase cost 9k less than a equivalent camry/accord.

and comparing the 2 is nothing like what you mentioned... but dont worry, give it more time and you'll look back at statements like these and go oops guess i was wrong.

Because turn the clock back to early 90's.. hell no one really purchased a nissan (other than the z which was about the only well reknown car in the US)

turn it back even further hell if you purchased a toyota you'd be ashamed..

The thing i guess people dont realize cus they wanna be stuck in the now and dont think things through is that times change and with it, the companies you love/trust change.

1999. ABIT motherboards were great and EVGA was the evil horrible company

today, asus motherboards and evga is the brand to get for reliability and awesome service.

/shrugs

To all those people who knock "lesser badges", open your eyes they are maki9ng some great machines, that 5.0L V8 hyundai engine sounds great. It is these badges that keep the so called "prestige/premium badges" on their feet.

Point well made it takes time to change peoples opinion of car models.
i may be proven wrong in the future but i don't think there will ever be a hyundai that will match up with the 370 or any future Z model. besides it's not comparing apples to apples anyway. imo.

precisely.

I mean i think its cool that they get compared. the Gen isnt gonna win except in a value added perspective. where someone who isnt a complete sports car fan, would like the Gen more over the z.

And I think thats where Hyundai wanted to go with the car too.

I mean comeon, we sit here alot and make comments about alot of people/companies like "WTF were they thinking" but people have to remember, we on forums like this, are not your average everyday people. I say the same thing to the guys on tech forums who only think like themselves. We are a small percentage..

The Z isnt for everyone. The Genesis is more for everyone.

And one day, Hyundai will probably make a car, which Nissan will try to match up against... truthfully as of right now, the new sonata hybrid and even regular sonata are quite amazing.

I test drove a brand new Genesis 4.6L sedan last year. I thought the car was completely overrated. It wants to compare to an S class? Really? The drivetrain was rough/transmission was slow/interior was barely passable. It should be compared to a Maxima, not an S class

You are correct. It was Rhys Millen Racing.
YouTube - V8 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Rhys Millen RMR RM460 - The Octane Report

I like it, I think it's a great looking automobile.

I'm in fairly good company.

2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 V6 - Road Test - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

Sorry but sexy lines and big motor don't make a sports car. At least to enthusiasts. Anyone who has spent time in Korea will understand the culture there just isn't tuned into sports car segment.

They failed on balance and suspension on this car. Its also over a foot longer than our big phat Z,s with wheel base that is nearly a foot longer as well. It may be a cheap Lexus beater but comes no where close to a Z for us true enthusiast drivers.

you must have not read all the posts so i'll leave you alone. except for.. jesus who actually trusts car and driver for the junk they post.

If hyundai could fit their 4.6 or 5.0 V8 into the coupe they would sell so many more of them, it would be the korean version of the mustang GT.:tiphat:

No I use my experience from spending time around Hyundai manufacturing and in Korea in general. I'm not saying it's a bad car it's just not a sports car. I trust my understanding of sports car engineering and many years of driving and developing sports racing cars from Nissan, Mazda and Porsche. Sorry this bloated under suspended sedan based car isn't anything close to Z , rx8 or Porsche cayman. ......Continue with the delusions please.:tiphat:

I don't think that would be the case. Likely selling for around $40k if they did that. A better option for them would be a more powerful V6.

I dont disagree with you which is the funny part, just the degree of how bad you say it is.

Again, they didnt make a true enthusiastic sports car so to try and compare it as one is the mistake. What if the comparison said, "IS the 370z as everyday as the genesis coupe??" then the z would look bad.

Hyundai didnt try to capture the true enthusiast market. So they didnt build one. But again they didnt build a bad car if you look at the genesis coupe for what it was built for.

Yeah one thing that hurts the Z is that it only comes with the v6. But then people like us would think that putting the 4 cyl in there would hurt it as well. Nissan decided they dont want to compromise the car to capture a larger market.

going back to the Hyundai, they decided they wanted a larger market share.

Thats all it really is, 2 cars built for 2 different purposes, yet compared against each other as if one is trying to be exactly like the other.

Just look at difference in quality of parts and front suspension design. again as a non enthusiast car it packs lots of features and fairly good power to weight ratio but all steel front strut suspension falls short of true sports cars.

Just look at difference of quality and design

Genesis Coupe Suspension Revealed - Hyundai Genesis Forum

2009 Hyundai Genesis Coupe: Suspension Walkaround

2009 Nissan 370Z: Suspension Walkaround

I think were going in circles.

Im saying its not meant to be a true sports car. Hyundai didnt want that. (i was in a few focus groups actually back when they were designing it)

But im also saying its not as bad as people here are saying, its a pretty darn good car. Its just not a true sports car cus it wasnt meant to be, so comparing it to one that is, is the problem.

and then those people (not you) who are like "buahaha its a hyundai" well their just kinda dumb.

I'm just saying to educated sportscar enthusiast the Hyundai is not much of a consideration. Pure and simple. And yes Hyundai makes it and it's not a viable sports car for most true enthusiast. So we enthusiasts might just say it's a Hyundai blah blah blah it's not a true sports car and have a point. :hello:

For someone looking for a sexy commuter it's great!

Well after living in Korea for almost a year I can say that the society out here is very homogenous. So I wouldn't expect a sports car from any of their brands for the next five or so years. Their culture just isn't into it yet.

I mean look at Hyosung motorcycles and everything else Korean...they all fall into the decent alternative category. There's no soul or passion in the products they build just functionality.