Nissan Juke, the beginning of the return of Turbocharged Z's?
 

hi everyone, finally Nissan gives one step forth and launches this new cross with a 1.6L DI Turbo engine, that gives 188bhp.
I hope that Nissan with this initiative finally brings a new ZX turbo, maybe a 300ZX DI Turbo?? i hope so...


what you think??

they may just be testing it for the Z ....

Probably not, sort of.
A lot of companies are going to move this direction, smaller displacement with a turbo. This provides the ability to up MPG while still providing power on tap if needed.

On the argument of a Z getting a turbo, probably not in a VQ3.7L size, but maybe a smaller engine. Though really, I feel for the Z or Nissan's next sport car it is about DI testing.

stock turbo on the z will be huge. I bet they will have alot more or sales.

of course, thats why I said, revive the 300ZX, the Z with a 3.0L DOHC DI Turbo with approx. 375 bhp will be perfect!!!


Ford is considering it with the F150 and the Mustang, I think that if Nissan do this in the Z it will be a grand slam!!!

also i will like to see the 1.6L DI Turbo on the Nissan Sentra SE-R...

The F150 already has the V6 eco boost engine this year.
The Mustang has been said by Ford many times it will keep the V8 as its primary power house.

I think we will see a new engine in the next Z, probably a NA DI high revving motor but no forced induction. I do not think FI is going to boost sales that much for the Z, it is a very niche car and throwing on FI will probably add another 10k to the price.

will be interesting to see what nissan does with the upcoming z

Yep, I think the bigger factor might not be the engine but do they go with a lighter car for the next generation maybe?
I could see them easily make a 3.0L high revving NA car that weights 2900 pounds but at the same time continue the line with a 3500lb car with a decent 3.9L engine.

I think they will have two engine classes. 3.0 diesel and maybe a 3.8 liter?

I do not see the diesel happening, that partnership is purely for engine development on SUV/sedan chassis since Nissan knows it needs to tap that market more.
I would find it hard to see two engines, I think Nissan does well with a 3.7L NA and a 3.8TT setup, while not like the American companies where they do a V6 & a V8 in the same chassis. Nissan does the V6 30k car and V6TT 80k car.

V6 TT is a GTR. I doubt that will raise the price to 80k. More like a 5k engine option. Meaning if Nissan does that GTR Engine would be bigger. 4.2 litter TT

No way it would be a 5k increase just for throwing in the 3.8TT, easily a 10k increase.
Also, not sure the 3.8TT is setup for a manual so will Nissan also go with the single transmission option? That will add a large price to maintenance and a lot of people will not like that.

Your right forgot about the tranny. When you think about it with the dual clutch and 3.8 TT price will be alot more. But the tranny has to be built well if they drop the 3.8TT in the Z. I can see them adding another 15k from the base price of the Z. They can do this if they want to step up the level of the GTR. But one issue is figuring out the VVEL.

Well if they do the 3.8TT then VVEL is out the door I think.
If they could do the 3.8TT around a manual transmission I think they could do it for a 10k price increase and it will keep the maintenance down for the average joe.

Then the only questions is, what do they do with the GTR...V8TT? :tup:

yes, FI increase price, but increase sales too, the market competition of the Z is a little limited, but if it goes FI it can go to the Mustang GT or Camaro territory, or BMW, etc...

its a lo t of people who wants to see again a ZX Turbo legend on the streets, plus now that no other japanese manufacturer have anything similar...
so Nissan can hoard the japanese people and some domestic or euro people...

Eh, but the Z still competes very well with the GT or Camaro on the curves, right after the new Z comes out the Camaro or GT will beat it slightly (the way of the game).
The Z has always been compared to Porsche first, not the 911s but a cheaper alternative to the Cayman.

If they do the GTR V8TT thats a whole different ball game.

Exactly, but after the slight revision with the V6TT they are doing and how the racing GT-R uses a V8 it would be a great move.

but how much weight would be added on if the GTR gets the V8 motor

^^ shouldnt be that much more! if i remember reading somewhere the LS1 weighed as much as the 350z 3.5 liter vq35de...if they really wanted they could...will they..hm,mmmm

good point but I dont think so

thats why i said turn the Z in a 3.0L DI Turbo 6spd. and left the GTR right there because is doing a great job!

Well the GT-R using the V8 weights under 3000lbs so I would assume the engine must not be much different in weight.

yeah, my bad, I refer in drag (vs. domestics), here it needs a bump...
in curves Z is doing a good job...

could be a good idea

if they can do it (3.0L DI Turbo) weighting 3300 lbs. with 375 bhp...

thats gonna be a rocket!!!!

I'd be at the dealer pre-ordering one the second it's possible if they delivered spec's like that.

We'll be lucky if they make another Z at this point, much less a boosted one.

We'll see more tickled-down features that are already offered in other parts of the world for the succeeding year models. We may be seeing the last of the Z in its form today, and making a competing Z for tomorrow's entails an entirely different Z.

i'd be more willing to accept the idea of a possible successor to the 240sx/silvia in the form of a 250sx either powered by the QR25 sentra/altima engine or the new 2.5L v6 (is it a VQ? i think it is...) from the G25. the Z will probably get direct injection soon, possibly as a mid generation update. either that or in the next gen ("Z35")

A new gen silvia has been rumored for awhile and I think this Juke is the test crowd for it all.
4 banger DI TT, in an vehicle that weights 3,000 pounds. Now all Nissan has to do is either up it to a 1.8 or 2.0L engine and they are golden. Even if they end up keeping it around 3,000 pounds (which I doubt), it will still be a great RWD car.

yeah, it could be like that...

but I cant believe that they will gonna kill the Z, Z is an icon, and is the only true sports car (excluding STi & Evo) that the japanese market are producing...

I think that the juke is an experiment of a few new projects, a Turbo Sentra that can compete with MazdaSpeed3, Caliber SRT4, GTI Turbo, (aparently Ford plans to take out a Fiesta Turbo)... other project are the Z and the third is the Silvia...

I don't believe Nissan will kill it, but the Z could be in for a long hiatus. All we need is an oil embargo to bring Z sales to a halt. Most vehicle manufacturers are retooling for tomorrow's world (about time) and these lost leader vehicles are not a priority. Hey, enjoy your Z while you can...and as long as you can.

mm silvia

The Z isn't getting an update with DI anywhere remotely soon. That would be a huge overhaul that Nissan isn't going to put the money into. The days of the manual are slowly dying and along with that are the pure sports cars. It's shitty and no car fanatic wants to accept it but vehicles like the Z are a dying breed. I have a ton of friends at Corporate headquarters and it's scary to hear how lucky we are there is even a Z to begin with right now.

All I can say is I test drove an AWD Juke last weekend. Honestly it surprised me how peppy it felt. For the price/performance/mileage of that thing, I gotta say I like where things are going for the daily driver.

Even though the Z is closely heading towards a niche market, Nissan will want to keep it around for a while as it shares a lot of components with it's sister car, the G coupe. If you combine their sales, i'm assuming its stall a profitable platform. Who know, maybe a electric motor assist could be in the future like the effeciantdynamics from BMW or the hybrid from Porsche.

I'd never even heard of the Juke before. Looks like a Rav4 competitor?

So why can't Nissan just make a bigger version of this engine for the next Z? Seems like since they've already done it, it wouldn't be *that* hard?

I see something like this being way more likely than any boosted version. I'm sure they'll continue to sell them, all the tooling and work is done now, they just produce and sell. I just don't think we'll be seeing anything as soon as we saw the 350 to 370 jump. The G is pretty profitable for them I would think more so than the Z. I'm sure they aren't just bleeding money on Z sales but probably not making a ton either.

here is your larger 4 banger in a coupe

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