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sonic370 11-10-2010 07:41 PM

i look at it like this. the z is now an icon for nissian if it wasn't an important
part of the company they never would have re done the 370..

there is a market for a 35 to 45 grand two seater and nissan imho owns it..

the same way chevy has kept the vette around for over 50 years its part of their brand....

if chevy can make a 450-500 hp car... the next z has to have at least 375-400 hp. if for no other reason to keep the 5.0 and camaro in site...

imo right know in the US those cars set the bar

FL 4Motion 11-10-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic370 (Post 804867)
i look at it like this. the z is now an icon for nissian if it wasn't an important
part of the company they never would have re done the 370..

there is a market for a 35 to 45 grand two seater and nissan imho owns it..

the same way chevy has kept the vette around for over 50 years its part of their brand....

if chevy can make a 450-500 hp car... the next z has to have at least 375-400 hp. if for no other reason to keep the 5.0 and camaro in site...

imo right know in the US those cars set the bar

/\ I agree with this. The Z is an iconic car for nissan going back to 1969. It's their affordable sports car. I don't see it going away, but I think we'll def see some sort of hybrid type drive in it at some point, perhaps as early as the Z35, ie. DI w/brake energy regeneration, mild hybrid type drive assist.

I'd love to see a 3.0 DI turbo w/brake force energy regeneration (or whatever it's called) making 400hp in the next Z, but we'll see.

Nissan won't put a v8 in the Z b/c it's traditionally always been a 6 banger. Same reason that the GTR won't see one eithter, it's always been a 6 or turbo 6 banger. Not too mention that the v8 is going the way of the dodo bird with increasing fuel efficiency standards all around.

MC can probably elaborate, but the racing GTR's that currently utilize a v8 are doing so either to accomodate the racing body rulebook or b/c an N/A motor is more reliable in endurance racing events.

tjlazer 11-10-2010 08:49 PM

The X in 300ZX as for "Luxury" not Turbo.

With that said, I would love a 380Z TT! :)

Jamaica 11-11-2010 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 804959)
The X in 300ZX as for "Luxury" not Turbo.

With that said, I would love a 380Z TT! :)

350 to 370 to 380?

you really think 380 is next? should be interesting whats next.

StealthZ 11-11-2010 06:25 AM

I don't want to see whats next... only because I'll go buy one ;)

ClemsonWill 11-11-2010 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by StealthZ (Post 805301)
I don't want to see whats next... only because I'll go buy one ;)

I was sitting here thinking the same thing.

When I was looking for a car, I considered the corvette and mustang just because of the power. If the Z had 350whp I wouldn't have even thought about them.

gorillanismo 11-11-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 804914)
/\ I agree with this. The Z is an iconic car for nissan going back to 1969. It's their affordable sports car. I don't see it going away, but I think we'll def see some sort of hybrid type drive in it at some point, perhaps as early as the Z35, ie. DI w/brake energy regeneration, mild hybrid type drive assist.

I'd love to see a 3.0 DI turbo w/brake force energy regeneration (or whatever it's called) making 400hp in the next Z, but we'll see.
Nissan won't put a v8 in the Z b/c it's traditionally always been a 6 banger. Same reason that the GTR won't see one eithter, it's always been a 6 or turbo 6 banger. Not too mention that the v8 is going the way of the dodo bird with increasing fuel efficiency standards all around.

MC can probably elaborate, but the racing GTR's that currently utilize a v8 are doing so either to accomodate the racing body rulebook or b/c an N/A motor is more reliable in endurance racing events.


for me if they make a Hybrid Z Nissan dies for me, thats a masacre for a true sports car!!!

Red370 11-11-2010 10:13 AM

Well, me and the future Mrs. have decided to buy a Juke, we're gonna go with the gun metallic color and AWD version of course, test drove one and enjoyed it, its got some balls believe it or not, plenty sporty for me as well, i'm a fan, what can I say.

gorillanismo 11-11-2010 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951 (Post 805193)
350 to 370 to 380?

you really think 380 is next? should be interesting whats next.

I dont think they make a 380Z because that is for the GTR with the VR38, they have to decrease displacement to 3.0-3.2 and put 2 sexy turbines to make it scream!!! :stirthepot:

370Zsteve 11-11-2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa (Post 803487)
We'll be lucky if they make another Z at this point, much less a boosted one.

:iagree:

370Zsteve 11-11-2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gorillanismo (Post 805474)
for me if they make a Hybrid Z Nissan dies for me, thats a masacre for a true sports car!!!

Yeah, a terrible thing. :rolleyes:

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/au...orsche-918.jpg

Porsche Greenlights 918 Hybrid Supercar | Autopia | Wired.com

Tius 11-11-2010 10:32 AM

just like others have said, i agree that a v8 won't happen in a new z. not only is it against tradition, but the world is progressing to a more fuel-energy conscious mind and that would further inhibit sales. the z is already a niche car being a 2-seater sports car.

as far as a boosted car, it would nice to dream, but adding 10k more to this car? its a 2 seater sports car that starts out at 30k. now we're talking base of 40k. 40k and we're talking base corvette territory. from an economics standpoint, i think it wouldn't make sense to start competing on a corvette level unless the performance was on par. however, if you make a z that performs just as well, if not better than a corvette, you cut into gtr sales.

i think the 30-40k niche sports car is where nissan feels comfortable with the z. most likely a mid generation refresh with di to compete with the new 5.0 stang and upcoming z28 camaro would be most likely, while sticking to the current price range.

jakoye 11-11-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tius (Post 805511)
just like others have said, i agree that a v8 won't happen in a new z. not only is it against tradition, but the world is progressing to a more fuel-energy conscious mind and that would further inhibit sales. the z is already a niche car being a 2-seater sports car.

as far as a boosted car, it would nice to dream, but adding 10k more to this car? its a 2 seater sports car that starts out at 30k. now we're talking base of 40k. 40k and we're talking base corvette territory. from an economics standpoint, i think it wouldn't make sense to start competing on a corvette level unless the performance was on par. however, if you make a z that performs just as well, if not better than a corvette, you cut into gtr sales.

i think the 30-40k niche sports car is where nissan feels comfortable with the z. most likely a mid generation refresh with di to compete with the new 5.0 stang and upcoming z28 camaro would be most likely, while sticking to the current price range.

But the Juke has a turbo and it's around 20K. Why can't Nissan boost the power of that engine up to Z-level without breaking the price tag? Why does everyone automatically add 10K to a new Z with a turbo?

jakoye 11-11-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 805475)
Well, me and the future Mrs. have decided to buy a Juke, we're gonna go with the gun metallic color and AWD version of course, test drove one and enjoyed it, its got some balls believe it or not, plenty sporty for me as well, i'm a fan, what can I say.

Well, congratulations... on both counts!

So I take it you didn't mind the styling of the Juke? I saw one reviewer call it "son of Aztec"! :icon17:

370zproject 11-11-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 805656)
But the Juke has a twin turbo and it's around 20K. Why can't Nissan boost the power of that engine up to Z-level without breaking the price tag? Why does everyone automatically add 10K to a new Z with a TT?

probably cause of the power the Z would put down u have to spend more money to make it reliable just a guess

Jamaica 11-11-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 805656)
But the Juke has a twin turbo and it's around 20K. Why can't Nissan boost the power of that engine up to Z-level without breaking the price tag? Why does everyone automatically add 10K to a new Z with a TT?

twin turbo?????:shakes head:

jakoye 11-11-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951 (Post 805665)
twin turbo?????:shakes head:

Right, sorry. That was a FAIL for me.

Not "twin turbo", just a "turbo". :)

I guess I'm used to thinking of the Z with a TT, so I just projected. :icon14:

Jamaica 11-11-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 805671)
Right, sorry. That was a FAIL for me.

Not "twin turbo", just a "turbo". :)

I guess I'm used to thinking of the Z with a TT, so I just projected. :icon14:

In my head i was like damnnnnnn need to test drive it asap lol

jakoye 11-11-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951 (Post 805674)
In my head i was like damnnnnnn need to test drive it asap lol

Haha! You should take a look at it first.

I don't want to start a flame war with our resident Juke owners, but some might call the car "fugly". :roflpuke2:

ThoriumHotdog 11-11-2010 12:01 PM

I really think the addition of a hybrid motor could be a good thing. We've only seen hybrids designed to boost economy, not power, and there are some insanely fast all electric cars so we shouldn't discredit the tech. Would having an addition 50 hp from a small motor on tap whenever we want it be such a bad thing? Hell, the battery could be small since we don't necessarily need the motor running the whole time.

Jamaica 11-11-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 805677)
Haha! You should take a look at it first.

I don't want to start a flame war with our resident Juke owners, but some might call the car "fugly". :roflpuke2:

The juke looks like a fun daily driver to me. Saw it at the dealer but never test drove it. Even it the next z generation has a diesel turbo ill might consider it.

jakoye 11-11-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951 (Post 805681)
The juke looks like a fun daily driver to me. Saw it at the dealer but never test drove it. Even it the next z generation has a diesel turbo ill might consider it.

Yes, the reviews have been fairly positive that I've seen. I just don't know about those lights on the top of the hood! :)

ProfessorDave 11-11-2010 02:17 PM

Saw a real live Juke for the first time today in the parking lot at work. Looks like it could be a fun, practical vehicle. I could see my wife wanting one, or even me down the road when the bad weather car is due for replacement.

Endgame 11-11-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951 (Post 805681)
The juke looks like a fun daily driver to me. Saw it at the dealer but never test drove it. Even it the next z generation has a diesel turbo ill might consider it.

If the next Z has a diesel turbo, I will:

1. Keep my Z34....
2. Pick up the next RX7
3. Pick up the new Lotus Exige equivalent....
4. Chill on sports cars for a bit and play with the CX7.

jakoye 11-11-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 806054)
If the next Z has a diesel turbo, I will:

1. Keep my Z34....
2. Pick up the next RX7
3. Pick up the new Lotus Exige equivalent....
4. Chill on sports cars for a bit and play with the CX7.

What's wrong with a diesel turbo? (although I personally don't think Nissan will go this way)

Endgame 11-11-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 806068)
What's wrong with a diesel turbo? (although I personally don't think Nissan will go this way)

Nothing wrong with them! Think of all the torque they would produce!! Just not my style for a Sports car....

Red370 11-11-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 805658)
Well, congratulations... on both counts!

So I take it you didn't mind the styling of the Juke? I saw one reviewer call it "son of Aztec"! :icon17:

I think it looks really cool actually, thats what adds to its allure I think, apparently they are selling like hotcakes, none of the dealers around here have been able to keep them in stock, i'm going to have to drive 180 miles well into Texas to get it!

Red370 11-11-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 805831)
Saw a real live Juke for the first time today in the parking lot at work. Looks like it could be a fun, practical vehicle. I could see my wife wanting one, or even me down the road when the bad weather car is due for replacement.

they look pretty cool in person, alot different from the pics for sure, i'd liken it as a cross between a Hyundai Santa Fe and a Rogue. It was cool to mash the pedal and hear the whistle of the turbo, the compressor literally is the size of my fist lol.

jakoye 11-11-2010 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 806291)
I think it looks really cool actually, thats what adds to its allure I think, apparently they are selling like hotcakes, none of the dealers around here have been able to keep them in stock, i'm going to have to drive 180 miles well into Texas to get it!

You've been targeted, son! :icon18:

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Originally Posted by leftlanenews.com
The look is definitely different. A little butch overall, it has been targeted to young urban males from 18-34 with 25-29 being the sweet spot. Nissan claims its targeted customers are gamers.


gorillanismo 11-15-2010 10:03 AM

I think that a hybrid car its not a pure sports car, maybe you can have a great chassis design but the heart of the car, the soul, its not of a true sports car...

Diesel, meh, too much torque to me, I like high rev cars better...


the best for the Z is:
1) small V6 DI TT ecoboost
2) small V8 high rev gasoline engine
3) bigger V6 high rev gasoline engine


thats my opinion...

Robert_Nash 11-15-2010 10:27 AM

Personally, I hope the keep the Z NA...turbos and superchargers are an easy way to add HP but "easy" seldom if ever truly means "better". I think it accurate to say that any sort of forced induction adds complexity which also adds cost to both manufacturing AND to maintenance (i.e. the total cost of ownership).

If folks want a turbo or supercharged on the vehicles then I would suggest leaving that in the hands of the aftermarket.

Just my $0.02 of course.

mjd77 11-15-2010 09:15 PM

I guarantee you lighter cars w/smaller displacement is the direction everyone will start to take soon. That way they can still produce cars that are plenty fast but with better mpg.

mjd77 11-15-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 805687)
Yes, the reviews have been fairly positive that I've seen. I just don't know about those lights on the top of the hood! :)

...but in many reviews I have heard that the MPG people are getting may be a little less than desirable.

gorillanismo 11-18-2010 12:38 PM

we'll see, only time will say the truth

I hope that Nissan continue its way developing great sports cars, and I love boost...

optiontrader 11-19-2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 805831)
Saw a real live Juke for the first time today in the parking lot at work. Looks like it could be a fun, practical vehicle. I could see my wife wanting one, or even me down the road when the bad weather car is due for replacement.

I've seen at least half a dozen driving around SoCal in the past week - these things seem to be selling, at least here.

They don't look to bad. Wonder how good the block internals are - mebbe we'll start seeing Stage 1/2 upgrades soon...

toxik 12-06-2010 12:30 PM

Well this could be potentially promising news on the return of the turbocharged Z:

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According to Autocar sources, one of the engines under consideration is the new 3.5 liter turbocharged V6 being developed by Mercedes-Benz tuned to around the 400 bhp (406 PS / 298 kW) mark. It would replace the 3.7 liter in the Infiniti G series.

370zproject 12-06-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 838908)
Well this could be potentially promising news on the return of the turbocharged Z:

hmmm

Red370 12-06-2010 01:41 PM

hmm... interesting... may consider trading up the 5.0 if they move to that engine...

370zproject 12-06-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 838995)
hmm... interesting... may consider trading up the 5.0 if they move to that engine...

:bowrofl: just keep one car .. or give me the xtra cash u got lol

flashburn 12-06-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 838908)
Well this could be potentially promising news on the return of the turbocharged Z:

Do you have a link for this article? I tried looking for it but failed.


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