**** it's even got brake ducts.

Three words: Solid Rear Axle

While this car will easily outhandle much of its competition, the euro or asian fanboi will always cite this.

You call out my opinion, you get the SRA card. :bowrofl:

That picture is of the "Leguna Seca" edition. That's a more balls to the wall model than the true street, Boss 302. I don't know if the normal Boss 302 has those.

Gotcha. Probably not.

I love this Mustang.

I don't know what to do about this. My mind wants to hate itself.

I'm mind ****** too.

Drive the Z while you're paying it off. Wait a few years. If you still feel like the Stang is better, "trade up" at that point. That's just my $0.02

But if you really want the Mustang it's best to get out now before the Z loses more value.

You've already lost the most value on the Z at this point when you drove it off the lot. It's a gamble. How much more will it depreciate over time?

Hey, if you're not having fun with your Z, maybe it's time to "upgrade". I'm still in love with mine. And I bought it knowing full well that faster alternatives were right around the corner.

Same here and I love the Z, but my first car was a Mustang and that connection the Z will never have. I just really have to decide if that connction is really worth the money at this point. My heart tells me yes yes yes, but my mind tells me no no no. In a few years after the next gen. Z comes out if I'm not thrilled with it, I'm sure I'll be back in a Stang.

Yeah, when my beater dies, I'm thinking I might trade it and the Z for a Beema Beema (like some super mods have), but I'm a ways off and a few dollars short of worrying about that yet.

I think the hit I'd take in upgrading is more than worth it. The Boss 302 is a very special car for Ford, and Ford enthusiasts. This car boasts a lot of tech, which makes it very unique. Also, upgrading into more power is always good, especially when you consider the aftermarket potential of this car.

See thats something I don't get and perhaps you can help me understand. Whats the point of Beema Beema. I think its a bit repetitive don't ya think? Couldn't it just be one 'Beema'

The second "Beema" is where they hide the tussin.

10-4 Just wanted the clarification. :bowrofl:

I understand completely. There will always be a better car. But its a little more than that to me. I'll try to explain as best as I can on the limited time I have:

1. I came from a Mustang, and they will always be special to me. It had a lot of personality, noise, and appeal. It was, and still is, a great and capable car. The return of the 5.0 really peaked my interest.

2. As much as I like the Z, I can't help but think about some of the issues the Z has, and in my mind, shouldn't have given the type of driver it attracts. We have all read about these at some point; oil temp issues, fuel starvation, "ice-mode", engine harshness, etc. Many people won't be affected by any of these issues, myself included, but it tarnishes my thoughts of the car, and quite frankly, really upsets me.

1. This new Mustang is very successful right now -- it ain't going away any time soon. The Boss may be limited, but this beast is here to stay. You can afford to wait, but there's nothing wrong with buying now if that's what feels right to you.

2. If I'm not experiencing the issue at hand, I don't really let it bother me. Are you worried about the image of the car? Because I'm not. I bought it for my own fun and enjoyment. Let the haters hate.

I think what it really boils down to is that I feel the Boss is more appealing to me, than the Z, for whatever reason. We will see though. I haven't thrown in the towel as I do like my Z a lot. I just might like the Boss more :tup:

Exactly, I went from a 4 door diesel 4x4 pickup to a 2 seater sports car, obviously not for the practicallity but because it makes me happy.

Wait a second. We've gone fully 4 pages without anyone knee-jerk hating the Mustang (in any serious sense). Is that a record?

^

Wait, JACKPAC's post worked! It was like a flame-retardant pre-emptive strike!

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/brilliant.jpg

It must be. But I thinks its cause that asshole got banned

Well, the Z actually holds it's value pretty well so the loss isn't anywhere near as bad as it is on most other cars, so if you want to trade up it's best to do it now instead of wait.

so is this supposed to replace the gt500 or will coexist with it? which one then will be the top of the line mustang?

Coexist. This one is based off the 5 liter from the regular GT and is more of a track-oriented car.

The GT500 is a street beast that uses the supercharged 5.4L.

I would take this boss302 over a GT 500, it looks like an amazing track car. THIS is what nissan needs to do with the NISMO Z, Ford went all out and it's going to be a hit.

which one will be the faster around a road course? in a straight line i assume the gt500 will be faster.

i'd love nissan to give the z the porche rs treatment and make a hardcore race car out of the box, possibly supercharged making about mid 400's hp, stripped and gutted interior, racing seats, roll cage, aerodynamic kit, brake and suspension upgrades, oil cooler, and lightweight carbon fibre body panels weighing around 3000 lbs or so, with a price mid point between the current z and the gtr

That will depend on track size really.
The GT500 is putting down more power and has great handling, but the Boss will beat around a corner but lose it on longer straights.

hard to say, the gt500 isn't exactly a slouch in the twisties, on a big track with lots of straightaways, i'd give the edge to the gt500, on a tighter track, the lighter weight of the 302 should have the edge, I think the boss302 would be more rewarding to drive, less muscling thru the corners compared to it's heavier big brother.

I have daydreams about this scenario, I'd be all over something like this in a heartbeat. Nissan, are you ******* listening??? :confused:

the problem from nissan's perspective is that the z is their second car in the line up, overshadowed by the gtr which is their main performance vehicle. they will never make the z too fast for fear it may cannibalize gtr sales and make the gtr irrelevant. that's also why chevy will never make a camaro fast enough to encroach on the corvette turf. ditto with porsche's cayman and 911 carrera

Honestly I have no idea. We will have to see the numbers once the car gets put through its paces.

:iagree: In fact, the Pontiac Fiero was, in its day, the only GM car that was profitable every year of its run. Rumor has it that it was squashed because it was too competitive against the Corvette. Reliability and safety issues aside, the Vettes of that era weren't much quicker.

My guess is a Z built as you described would well beyond the mid point between the Z and GTR. You're pretty much talking a full on race car which would probably go for $100k or more.

Not to mention they need to build the car to fit SOME specification. What you described is just a race car that could compete in what? Track days?

A better option would be something more like what Ford did with the Boss 302. A track day car that can still be driven around on the street. Maybe a TT or SC tuned to make 450hp out of the box with an aggressive street/track suspension, interior, and not much in the way of creature comforts. That would be something that they could have priced between the base Z and the GTR.

But when you start talking roll cage, carbon fiber panels, etc... the prices skyrocket.

The issue I see with Nissan is you have a 30k car and an 80k car.
Now Ford does not have anything over 60k currently (Ford GT), but they feel the gap between 30k to 60k nicely. If I want a track ready street car I can get a GT500 or now a Boss 302, but with Nissan you get a good value sports car which needs track work or a super car.

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true. if they would have bumped the gt-r a bit higher in price, like 20 or 30 k more, it would have left some breathing room large enough to fit a more upgraded track oriented z. as such, there's not much room to do major upgrades to the z without encroaching onto gtr territory in price and performance.

Yeah but then they end up ruining the GTR if they bump the price up that much. It's supposed to be the "affordable supercar."