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ChopsZ 03-22-2019 08:24 PM

2019 Camaro SS commits Hara Kiri...
 
Coming home tonight from work, I get in the turn lane to hop onto the parkway. In front of me is a brand new 2019 Camaro SS still with the temp tag on it.

He must have noticed my Z behind him because after a couple of seconds sitting there at the light behind him, he revs the engine a couple times. I just sit there and ignore it. Then the light changes to green...

He takes off normally and once on the on-ramp, he punches it. I'm already in 2nd and of course, I punch it as well. I knew immediately that he had the 10-speed auto because of the quick shifts. I'm feathering the gas to keep from pushing him out of the way when all of a sudden around 70 mph I see a bright flash from under his car, like way up under the car near the engine (not the exhaust) just as it shifted into 3rd or 4th gear. I hear a strange loud "pop" from his car and then his headlights and taillights flicker a couple times and go completely out, though his brake lights still worked fine.

** Keep in mind, this is NOT a "race" story or about breaking speed limits. For one, I don't do that sort of crap anymore, and this parkway is heavily patrolled by the FHP all the time, and in fact there were two of them just up the road not even a mile with two cars pulled over. I just planned on flooring it to 70 mph which is the posted limit, then letting off. If he wanted to keep going, that's his own thing.**

Anywho...

By this point, he's slowing down and I slowly pass him as we get onto the parkway. I noticed that his engine was off. I started to slow down to match his speed to see if things were alright. When I come down along side him, he flicks me off and yells "F*$^ you"!

At that point, I turn from being concerned to instant **** mode. I sarcastically laugh at him, drop down to 2nd and let my exhaust blast him with a bunch of bangs, pops and some fireballs as he pulls off onto the shoulder and I leave his ***.

I'm just curious as to what happened to that Camaro. It sounded good while it was running WOT, but he certainly wasn't pulling away from me. The thing was brand new, V8, auto, couldn't have had many miles on it, yet it looks and sounds like it had some kind of catastrophic failure, possibly, probably electrical.

The dude was probably embarrassed which induced his reactions when I got back along side him.

Lvcky69 03-22-2019 10:27 PM

He probably blew his engine. Typical chevy engine. Those things are only pushing 275 to the wheels

CRiZO 03-22-2019 11:15 PM

I've heard about new Camaros shutting off while driving. They're wonderfully Chevy.

old guy 03-22-2019 11:32 PM

I love it when they have to eat their own dust :rofl2:

UNKNOWN_370 03-23-2019 01:09 AM

I'm gonna guess it's the new 10 speed transmissions. I've never had a problem with mine and I've raced it. (Which our warranties cover racing��)

ZCanadian 03-23-2019 10:00 AM

And people shun Hyundai and Alfa for reliability...
:-)

bunk 03-23-2019 10:13 AM

Check the Camaro forums. Probably a post called I WAS WALKING THAT Z UNITL...

UNKNOWN_370 03-23-2019 10:49 AM

https://www-thestreet-com.cdn.amppro...-glitches.html

ChopsZ 03-23-2019 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRiZO (Post 3836471)
I've heard about new Camaros shutting off while driving. They're wonderfully Chevy.

One of many reasons I still shy away from buying anything American.


Quote:

Originally Posted by old guy (Post 3836476)
I love it when they have to eat their own dust :rofl2:

Me too!


Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3836495)
I'm gonna guess it's the new 10 speed transmissions. I've never had a problem with mine and I've raced it. (Which our warranties cover racing��)

I don't know as I've never the need to research them. For your sake, I hope you never have problems with yours.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3836545)
And people shun Hyundai and Alfa for reliability...
:-)

Exactly. I have nothing against Hyundai, Kia or Alfa. Hell, my other car is a Fiat 500L Trekking, and I love driving that thing!


Quote:

Originally Posted by bunk (Post 3836546)
Check the Camaro forums. Probably a post called I WAS WALKING THAT Z UNITL...

Haha... He can post whatever he wants. He certainly wasn't walking this Z. Like I said, I was feathering the throttle from keeping my Z from going up his a$$.



And an update!!!

So my girlfriend a I were getting on the parkway again this morning around 10am to go do some work and planning on our future house. Anyway, we're on the parkway and as we come up over the hill I see flashing yellow lights on top of a flatbed wrecker. Sitting silently behind said wrecker is that same 2019 Camaro SS with the driver standing next to it, the wrecker dude getting the winch cable out and the hood open on the SS.

Damn!... That dude ended up leaving the car there all night or staying there with it. Either way, it must suck being him right about now.

:owned:

Lvcky69 03-23-2019 07:57 PM

should have taken a pic

ChopsZ 03-23-2019 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lvcky69 (Post 3836647)
should have taken a pic

I was going to but my phone was in my pocket and my girlfriend was on the phone with our son who's up in Camp Geiger (Marines).

old guy 03-23-2019 10:10 PM

And an update!!!

So my girlfriend a I were getting on the parkway again this morning around 10am to go do some work and planning on our future house. Anyway, we're on the parkway and as we come up over the hill I see flashing yellow lights on top of a flatbed wrecker. Sitting silently behind said wrecker is that same 2019 Camaro SS with the driver standing next to it, the wrecker dude getting the winch cable out and the hood open on the SS.

Damn!... That dude ended up leaving the car there all night or staying there with it. Either way, it must suck being him right about now.

:owned:[/QUOTE]
I swear, I'd been on the horn and waving :icon18:

ChopsZ 03-24-2019 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old guy (Post 3836679)
And an update!!!

So my girlfriend a I were getting on the parkway again this morning around 10am to go do some work and planning on our future house. Anyway, we're on the parkway and as we come up over the hill I see flashing yellow lights on top of a flatbed wrecker. Sitting silently behind said wrecker is that same 2019 Camaro SS with the driver standing next to it, the wrecker dude getting the winch cable out and the hood open on the SS.

Damn!... That dude ended up leaving the car there all night or staying there with it. Either way, it must suck being him right about now.

:owned:

I swear, I'd been on the horn and waving :icon18:[/QUOTE]

I would have if I was in the Z. Maybe even pop the exhaust. But we were in a rental.

sunkist350z 03-24-2019 01:00 AM

Priceless story lol I would never buy a GM product.

Spooler 03-24-2019 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunkist350z (Post 3836713)
Priceless story lol I would never buy a GM product.

Vette's are good to go.

UNKNOWN_370 03-24-2019 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3836636)
One of many reasons I still shy away from buying anything American.




Me too!




I don't know as I've never the need to research them. For your sake, I hope you never have problems with yours.




Exactly. I have nothing against Hyundai, Kia or Alfa. Hell, my other car is a Fiat 500L Trekking, and I love driving that thing!




And an update!!!
:


There was a time a few years back I would've not driven anything American. Just like there was a time I would've never bought a Hyundai. But from where I sit today. Hyundai and GM have come up quite a bit. This Chevy ford transmission merger. Didn't come out as good as it should've. But I won't have that problem. My transmission is the same exact 8 in the vette as well as the engine. I know for a fact it's one of the most reliable transmissions on the market. If I had a concern it would be my MRC. But the corvette/camaro MRC is rated higher in quality and performance over Ferrari. Our MRC drastically changes the feel of the suspension with each toggle. Ferrari is more singular in feel with each change of the dial. It's crazy the car mags even decided to compare the Chevy suspension to a Ferrari n like the Chevy mire...
TC and competitive mode are insane and my Brembos are still gripping hard despite track use. It's a solid car. I don't fret. Are there improvents in build quality that can be addressed? At 44k a mid 11 second 1.1g car with every necessary and some unnecessary options in the book is gonna have some room for improvement in terms of quality? Yes...
Is it poor quality? Not at all. Its twice as good as the Camaro 5 n I actually liked the 5. But couldn't bring myself to buy it. But the performance on this one is so good! I actually traded my Z. 19,000 miles later im still impressed. In this amount of time when I had my Z. I had put 17,000 miles. And it was an amazing car... I put near 50,000 amazing miles on my Z. But this right here is honestly some next level shyt. It drives like an exotic though it may not look like one. Chevy did amazing in my book. N I had a budget stretched out to 80k when I bought my car. All I did was try to focus on the drive and not brands. It was either gonna be the Alfa the vette or Camaro. I got scared of the quadrifoglio. N rightfully so. Them things live in a shop. And though the vette had a better sitting position and look. I had more room and virtually the same driving experience in a Camaro. Just higher up.
So I took the Camaro. I'm battling with going up to a ZL1 or waiting for the GTV? Im hoping they'll get the quad issues fixed soon. I really think Alfa is striving to put out a reliable car. I have faith.

sunkist350z 03-24-2019 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3836717)
Vette's are good to go.

C7 do look nice almost traded my z for one after a test drive gobs of more power than the z, not a fan of the boxy rear but the new c8 is another story but cant justify paying almost 100k for a GM.

UNKNOWN_370 03-24-2019 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunkist350z (Post 3836812)
C7 do look nice almost traded my z for one after a test drive gobs of more power than the z, not a fan of the boxy rear but the new c8 is another story but cant justify paying almost 100k for a GM.

Did they make pricing concrete? If it ranges between 70 and 140k? I think that'll be fair for the power and performance considering the FM layout..

Lvcky69 03-24-2019 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunkist350z (Post 3836812)
C7 do look nice almost traded my z for one after a test drive gobs of more power than the z, not a fan of the boxy rear but the new c8 is another story but cant justify paying almost 100k for a GM.

For that amount you could grab a '16 911 turbo like I did. Porsche's are far better than the vettes. Only muscle car I would get is the viper acr

Falconquey 03-24-2019 09:06 PM

:facepalm:. All this hard talk about I'd never this or that... FFS let's get bloody real here, we're all driving Nissans gang! No better than GM. To think otherwise is comical. Nissan isn't even the best of the Japanese brands for that matter.
The only thing that's working for Nissan anymore is they happen to produce 2 unicorn sports cars. The rest is mostly Asian trash.

ImportConvert 03-25-2019 11:13 AM

Yup. Since I got rid of my Jeep and have been driving Mazdas, life has gotten way better. 100% JDM, preferably Toyota/Mazda/Lexus (models made in Japan, only), for me. (I had a 370Z, and it had a host of QA/QC issues which led to dumping it before the 3/36 went out).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falconquey (Post 3836967)
:facepalm:. All this hard talk about I'd never this or that... FFS let's get bloody real here, we're all driving Nissans gang! No better than GM. To think otherwise is comical. Nissan isn't even the best of the Japanese brands for that matter.
The only thing that's working for Nissan anymore is they happen to produce 2 unicorn sports cars. The rest is mostly Asian trash.

Truth, my 370Z showed me that Nissan is the Chrysler of Japan. Grinding transmission that got worse when it rained (wtf?), brake warping issues, power-steering pump louder than an '03 Terminator's SC. Glitch NAV that would black-screen from time to time. Got rid of it at the 34K mile mark as I recall (and bought an actual Chrysler, which I regretted, rofl!) Have since gone over to Mazda, put about 100K miles on the CX5 platform, and now with my CX5 Turbo find it a pretty solid blend of performance vs. luxury vs. daily usefulness. Definitely gone over to the Toyota/Lexus/Mazda (models made JDM only) camp.

ChopsZ 03-25-2019 12:49 PM

I don't know about Nissan being the Chrysler of Japan. That's a bit harsh.

The only "real" issue I have with my Z is that the damn seatbelts gett wet when it rains hard. That, the crappy clutch still sucks even with the RJM v.3 pedal installed, and the fact that the car comes base with a stupid open diff.

Other than that, I'm quite happy with my Z, though I'm still fighting with those clunking BC coilovers in the rear and now the RJM pedal squeaks all the time. Annoying as hell, but no fault of the car or brand itself.

Spooler 03-25-2019 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3836794)
There was a time a few years back I would've not driven anything American. Just like there was a time I would've never bought a Hyundai. But from where I sit today. Hyundai and GM have come up quite a bit. This Chevy ford transmission merger. Didn't come out as good as it should've. But I won't have that problem. My transmission is the same exact 8 in the vette as well as the engine. I know for a fact it's one of the most reliable transmissions on the market. If I had a concern it would be my MRC. But the corvette/camaro MRC is rated higher in quality and performance over Ferrari. Our MRC drastically changes the feel of the suspension with each toggle. Ferrari is more singular in feel with each change of the dial. It's crazy the car mags even decided to compare the Chevy suspension to a Ferrari n like the Chevy mire...
TC and competitive mode are insane and my Brembos are still gripping hard despite track use. It's a solid car. I don't fret. Are there improvents in build quality that can be addressed? At 44k a mid 11 second 1.1g car with every necessary and some unnecessary options in the book is gonna have some room for improvement in terms of quality? Yes...
Is it poor quality? Not at all. Its twice as good as the Camaro 5 n I actually liked the 5. But couldn't bring myself to buy it. But the performance on this one is so good! I actually traded my Z. 19,000 miles later im still impressed. In this amount of time when I had my Z. I had put 17,000 miles. And it was an amazing car... I put near 50,000 amazing miles on my Z. But this right here is honestly some next level shyt. It drives like an exotic though it may not look like one. Chevy did amazing in my book. N I had a budget stretched out to 80k when I bought my car. All I did was try to focus on the drive and not brands. It was either gonna be the Alfa the vette or Camaro. I got scared of the quadrifoglio. N rightfully so. Them things live in a shop. And though the vette had a better sitting position and look. I had more room and virtually the same driving experience in a Camaro. Just higher up.
So I took the Camaro. I'm battling with going up to a ZL1 or waiting for the GTV? Im hoping they'll get the quad issues fixed soon. I really think Alfa is striving to put out a reliable car. I have faith.


The A8 tranny has issues in the Corvette. Not sure where you have been.

mults 03-25-2019 03:00 PM

This is the reason that you break in your car's mechanicals before you going all WOT on them. Sounds like more than the tranny went.

I can hear him explaining to the Service Advisor; "I was getting on the freeway, merging with traffic at a safe and respectful speed and something happened."

sunkist350z 03-25-2019 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 3837114)
Yup. Since I got rid of my Jeep and have been driving Mazdas, life has gotten way better. 100% JDM, preferably Toyota/Mazda/Lexus (models made in Japan, only), for me. (I had a 370Z, and it had a host of QA/QC issues which led to dumping it before the 3/36 went out).



Truth, my 370Z showed me that Nissan is the Chrysler of Japan. Grinding transmission that got worse when it rained (wtf?), brake warping issues, power-steering pump louder than an '03 Terminator's SC. Glitch NAV that would black-screen from time to time. Got rid of it at the 34K mile mark as I recall (and bought an actual Chrysler, which I regretted, rofl!) Have since gone over to Mazda, put about 100K miles on the CX5 platform, and now with my CX5 Turbo find it a pretty solid blend of performance vs. luxury vs. daily usefulness. Definitely gone over to the Toyota/Lexus/Mazda (models made JDM only) camp.

I had an s2000 with tranny problems, was sent to the dealer twice for the 2nd gear grind. One of the worst sports cars I have ever owned. The Z on the other hand has been a charm for the past 6 years, same goes for the 350zDE I had for couple of years and 350zHR for four years. As far as calling it the "Chrysler" of Japan is just plain wrong.

ChopsZ 03-25-2019 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mults (Post 3837164)
This is the reason that you break in your car's mechanicals before you going all WOT on them. Sounds like more than the tranny went.

I can hear him explaining to the Service Advisor; "I was getting on the freeway, merging with traffic at a safe and respectful speed and something happened."

I'm just puzzled what that large flash under the car was and why all of the lights except the brake lights went out.

Also, in all honesty, we were doing a safe and respectful speed. We were just trying to get to that speed quickly.

Rusty 03-25-2019 10:06 PM

I've got a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee TrailHawk 5.7 Hemi, with 80,000 miles on it. It's been prefect. Also have a 2008 PowerWagon 5.7 Hemi, with 80,000 miles on it. I beat on this truck and it's never let me down.

ImportConvert 03-26-2019 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunkist350z (Post 3837223)
I had an s2000 with tranny problems, was sent to the dealer twice for the 2nd gear grind. One of the worst sports cars I have ever owned. The Z on the other hand has been a charm for the past 6 years, same goes for the 350zDE I had for couple of years and 350zHR for four years. As far as calling it the "Chrysler" of Japan is just plain wrong.

Samples of one. Somewhere out there is a Jeep owner with 200K miles and nothing gone wrong. I'm just saying people dog on Nissan, and both my Nissan and Infiniti products had issues, so I moved on. My Mazda products have been much more reliable so far, and I've put more miles on 'em.

ImportConvert 03-26-2019 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3837265)
I'm just puzzled what that large flash under the car was and why all of the lights except the brake lights went out.

Also, in all honesty, we were doing a safe and respectful speed. We were just trying to get to that speed quickly.

I honestly have no idea. Your guess is as good as mine. If you care enough, cruise the Chevy dealers for the next couple of days and if you spot his car in service, ask "What's wrong with that one?" and most techs don't care about privacy and will tell you.

Zingston 03-26-2019 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 3837301)
Samples of one. Somewhere out there is a Jeep owner with 200K miles and nothing gone wrong. I'm just saying people dog on Nissan, and both my Nissan and Infiniti products had issues, so I moved on. My Mazda products have been much more reliable so far, and I've put more miles on 'em.

Yep. I'm that Jeep owner, however, only 130k so far. The 06 hemi 5.7 has been awesome. It just keeps on truckin!

Zingston 03-26-2019 06:10 AM

[QUOTE=ChopsZ;3837265]I'm just puzzled what that large flash under the car was and why all of the lights except the brake lights went out.


It appears as if the blasting cap fired and caused some type of mechanical and/or electronic disruption, while failing to ignite the explosive device. Failed mob hit.

ImportConvert 03-26-2019 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3837338)
Yep. I'm that Jeep owner, however, only 130k so far. The 06 hemi 5.7 has been awesome. It just keeps on truckin!

I wanted to like my 2010 JGC Hemi/qd2, but...


N23
Leaking transmission (2x)
Rotted UCA bushings
Broken sunroof guides
Water pump

And other wonderful things, all before 100k miles. I ditched it.

Zingston 03-26-2019 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 3837349)
I wanted to like my 2010 JGC Hemi/qd2, but...


N23
Leaking transmission (2x)
Rotted UCA bushings
Broken sunroof guides
Water pump

And other wonderful things, all before 100k miles. I ditched it.


That sucks! I had to replace my Commander's water pump also, but that was at 128k miles. So more of an expected replacement as those parts are only expected to last so long anyway.

Funny how cars go given I'd say my best experience with a car i've ever had was my Jaguar XJS, and worst was my Mazda 929 (there was not a single component I didn't replace on that car before 45k miles, Monumental POS! LOL!). You'd figure it would have been the other way around. Or at least the Jaguar would have been at the bottom of my list.

ImportConvert 03-26-2019 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3837356)
That sucks! I had to replace my Commander's water pump also, but that was at 128k miles. So more of an expected replacement as those parts are only expected to last so long anyway.

Funny how cars go given I'd say my best experience with a car i've ever had was my Jaguar XJS, and worst was my Mazda 929 (there was not a single component I didn't replace on that car before 45k miles, Monumental POS! LOL!). You'd figure it would have been the other way around. Or at least the Jaguar would have been at the bottom of my list.

What's crazy is that every domestic I've owned, nearly, has had the water pump die at around 80K miles, while none of my JDM cars have ever had one die. My Infiniti did have the radiator die, though. And the transmission. And the motormounts. I'm sure my 370Z would have had stuff die if I'd kept it longer than 34K miles, too, considering the brakes had issues and the power steering pump would get super loud after I drove it hard and the transmission would always grind on the first shift of the day, especially if it was raining out (go figure...). Mainly, my Nissan products felt = to my Chrysler experience, so I have had no impetus to try them again and went with Mazda again, after my CX5 had the fuel pressure regulator go out at 106K miles (literally nothing else broke in the life of the vehicle except that, unless you count things like trim from a huge chunk of concrete that flew up, or the rear diff because I submerged it crossing a stream and didn't change the fluid like I should have---after another 2 months of driving (and no bearing whine!, it was the AWD clutch solenoid that went out! Fluid looked like a frappachino!).

I am hoping my CX5 GT Reserve lives just as storied a life, but got the 10y/150K mile bumper-bumper warranty on it just in case. Because it has a TON of tech in it, plus a turbo.

Zingston 03-26-2019 07:51 AM

frappachino!).

I am hoping my CX5 GT Reserve lives just as storied a life, but got the 10y/150K mile bumper-bumper warranty on it just in case. Because it has a TON of tech in it, plus a turbo.[/QUOTE]


That warranty is golden!

ImportConvert 03-26-2019 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3837367)
frappachino!).

I am hoping my CX5 GT Reserve lives just as storied a life, but got the 10y/150K mile bumper-bumper warranty on it just in case. Because it has a TON of tech in it, plus a turbo.


That warranty is golden![/QUOTE]

Yup. Everyone on the Mazda forum is making fun of me for paying $2400 for it, though. Kinda irritating, but also reassuring regarding how reliable these things are. The CX9 has had this transmission and engine since 2015 as a 2016YM, and I've yet to find a horror story or even one with a blown turbo via Google. Very reassuring. The tech in this thing is super impressive. Heated and cooled seats, HUD, oscillating headlights (LED), on and on and on. Suspension is amazing, too. Reminds me of my 370Z, but much better control in the corners, over irregular pavement, etc. If you're in the market for a CUV, this is the one to look at, IMO. I'm averaging 25-27mpg on my daily drive, even though it's rated 22/27. It feels like my LT1 Trans Am from the 90's. NO turbo lag. Loads of torque everywhere. Doesn't even shift out of OD unless I'm going up a crazy steep hill/mountain.

Zingston 03-26-2019 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 3837371)
That warranty is golden!

Yup. Everyone on the Mazda forum is making fun of me for paying $2400 for it, though. Kinda irritating, but also reassuring regarding how reliable these things are. The CX9 has had this transmission and engine since 2015 as a 2016YM, and I've yet to find a horror story or even one with a blown turbo via Google. Very reassuring. The tech in this thing is super impressive. Heated and cooled seats, HUD, oscillating headlights (LED), on and on and on. Suspension is amazing, too. Reminds me of my 370Z, but much better control in the corners, over irregular pavement, etc. If you're in the market for a CUV, this is the one to look at, IMO. I'm averaging 25-27mpg on my daily drive, even though it's rated 22/27. It feels like my LT1 Trans Am from the 90's. NO turbo lag. Loads of torque everywhere. Doesn't even shift out of OD unless I'm going up a crazy steep hill/mountain.[/QUOTE]



I love the new look of the CX5 & CX9... some of the best out there hands down. I'd totally look into it for my next SUV if it weren't for having to pull trailers (21' boat & motorcycle) once in a while. Towing capacity of the CX9 is only 3500. I think the boat is close to 5000 lbs.

2011 Nismo#91 03-26-2019 08:25 AM

GM real people and real shitty cars for the most part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0jTcGBxh6w

ImportConvert 03-26-2019 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3837374)


I love the new look of the CX5 & CX9... some of the best out there hands down. I'd totally look into it for my next SUV if it weren't for having to pull trailers (21' boat & motorcycle) once in a while. Towing capacity of the CX9 is only 3500. I think the boat is close to 5000 lbs.

Yeah, I use it for my dog, my driveway (very rural), etc. More as a CUV than a truck. Ultimately, I cannot own any sports cars except for a WRX/STI/EVO type vehicle here, due to the fact that I live kindof off the beaten path. None of those vehicles appealed to me because of the dated interior, and the fact that the performance improvement over my CX5 with the WRX is marginal, there is no place for my dog, etc.

Falconquey 03-26-2019 08:48 AM

[QUOTE=Zingston;3837348]
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3837265)
I'm just puzzled what that large flash under the car was and why all of the lights except the brake lights went out.


It appears as if the blasting cap fired and caused some type of mechanical and/or electronic disruption, while failing to ignite the explosive device. Failed mob hit.


:icon18:. You are correct sir!!! :iagree:


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