Non MRC still pulled 1.01g on the skid

Z51 pulled 1.1g and grand sport 1.2g

The skid numbers are exactly the same for Camaro SS models which is ridiculously insane chevy treated the camaro so well with the SS The SS MRC and SS 1LE.

Those numbers are so good. Even the bargain basement vette is a top handler. You really cant go wrong. But as an enthusiast. I think the grand sport or its equivalent is the perfect C7 or possibly C8.

I just want to warn against using skid-pad numbers as a reference for how good a car handles. Just because it can pull over 1G doesn't mean it's well balanced.


Carry on.

Well my Z was wayyyy more front heavy than my camaro by a lot. I corner harder faster flatter and more precisely than my Z though I'm in a bigger car. This is real world, not theoretical experience. But anyway... These numbers that people like then dont like at their convenience is typically how we measure sports car capability. Regardless of real world feel. Anyway...

"Feel" is the only way that one experiences a sports car ride, so it is a fair way of comparing cars for yourself. But it's subjective as hell. AKA "butt dyno" - which very seldom reflects reality.

However, real numbers are the only real way to do a fair and objective comparison. Lap times, weights and weight distribution, 0-60 times, braking distances, dyno results, G-forces (as long as we're comparing nearly identical circumstances, right down to the driver, surface, fuel, weather, tires, and identical dyno machine, between cars in stock-to-stock form). And as long as we understand that simple changes such as tires or even tire pressures might make a huge difference to results.

It think the point was missed with my comment; a car's "handling" can still be measured by numbers, but not just one measurement. Overall handling balance involves steering response, understeer/oversteer characteristics, how quickly it transitions from understeer to oversteer, and how it negotiates different types of cornering situations. It is why MotorTrend started doing the figure-8 testing (even though it is not comprehensive).

So, comparing cornering capabilities only based on a car's peak lateral-G load is erroneous.

If maths are your thing, here's some of the fact behind the magic of the acceleration times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SH4c-oLUQ

Looks amazing. Problem is that it cannot be tuned by another companies software. GM has a lock out feature and if that is true that really sucks.. This might give you a idea

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...edly-untunable

https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproj...ransmission%2F

If you're hoping a manual will come? They bluntly said... "NO". This may give Supra a chance if they bring the m azz nual to the car. Otherwise? I think it's the C8 for the win. If this car doesn't sell like hot cakes? The enthusiast market is truly dead. The vette is the holy grail of affordable cars. I'm sure other manufacturers that had plans of putting out a car are asking... " how do we top that?"

They said that about the C7, and of course the GT-R.

That's just like an open invitation/challenge for someone to figure it out.

Odds are, they will pass mules to Callaway and Lingenfelter, as well as the secret tunnel maps of Area 51.

Anything can be tuned. It just depends on how much you're willing to pay and how much time you're willing to put into it.

Sub 3 seconds to 60. Exactly how much more do you want? How fast do you need to get to the corner store for your smokes? :icon17:

You're right but as an enthusiast myself? If it ain't a grand sport or better. Not worth it. GS puts that MRC to use with a real suspension kit that's even more stable on track. Wider tires improved aero the recorder standard dual mode exhaust etc...

So I guess we all have our standards.


As far as the vette and tuning...

2016 was the only tunable camaro. Now look. Every camaro year has like 4 tune options. So many companies lock out their ECU then a year later. The tune is out.

Omg, enough with the Camaro propaganda... It's too much. You're turning me into a true Mustang fan!!!

I like mustang's too. At least the GT PP2, GT350 and the upcoming GT500. So get you a mustsng of those models and I'll like and enjoy hearing about it IN YOUR OWN THREAD.
Just going off my personal experiences... Being C7's n 6's have LT1s same transmission suspension etc. Not sure if the ECU's are the same but we both got locked out the same year. Not really propaganda. But anyway. ..

Back to what I came back for....

Dude made a video comparing stats on competing cars. The C8 is bananas. I think I may take a trip to my dealer to crunch numbers. I think 70k will make a kool vette. I'm diggin' the fact it keeps up with cars or beats them with underdog hp numbers.

https://youtu.be/m0e7H9faMbw

FP said it...

Bottom line, gm just dropped an Everyman attainable mclaren supercar competitor in our laps.

AND, as long as it doesn't become a joke on account of quality or reliability, an everyday supercar that you can live with. Afford to get service done on. And, therefore, not care about putting miles on. It's going to depreciate like a stone, but who cares at that price. You won't have to sell your first born in order to afford to get the oil changed using parts and tools that only select dealers can obtain. And you will not have to drive halfway across the country to find somewhere to have that done.

There are exactly 3 McLaren dealerships in all of Canada. You DON'T want to get into a fight with the closest one! ;-)

Since when has corvette not held its value rather decently. 2012 grand sports sell in the mid to high $30's?

Just looked at Auto Trader - looks like about 1/2 price after 2-3 years up here, but whatever.

https://www.kbb.com/cars-for-sale/52...lts=14&index=3

https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/56195966


These are some low price examples here. Anything cheaper will have higher mileage.

Canada...

https://www.autotrader.ca/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2012/

Interior looks amazing!

Close this thread before I cry or go car poor. Do it! Do it now!!

Southern Commifornia marking up corvette prices ridiculously. There are plenty of dealerships selling at sticker. Do your homework .


https://youtu.be/LEeTmArNKJs

In 2009, Nissan broke the mold with the r35 gtr. It embarrassed cars costing twice as much and immediately had the world playing catch up, specifically Porsche and to a lesser extent gm with the vette.

We have such great c7 z06’s and 911 gt3s and turbos bc they saw the bar and then raised it themselves, the old adage about competition strengthens the breed applies for sure.

Chevy just did the same thing in 2020 with the c8.

This should kill the r35 (if Nissan has any self respect), and bring on a kick *** r36 in a few years, but then again, b/c Kicks might apply and they’ll make the next gtr a cuv hybrid. :ughdance:

:driving::yum: Time to start saving up!

The configurator is sick... loving the high wing. Unlike the C7. The base car is hot... so imagine the future Z06, GS & ZR1? The ZR1 will be bugatti fast!!

https://visualizer-west.chevrolet.co...US&channel=b2c

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This is my configured vette. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a8595ec15f.jpg

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Corvette is Nearly Sold Out For First Year of Production!!! :eek::driving:

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/07/28/...arly-sold-out/

I almost reserved mine playing with the configurator last night. It's just an amazing car.
Ford made a car like this and sold it at $500,000.
I'm sure when the first reviews roll out it will be against the last Ford GT. Crazy... it's just bananas.
This car I believe will sell out the same way next year too. It's only been out a few days...

AND THEY WANNA SAY SPORTS CARS ARE DYING?

No... not at as all. Companies been trying to pass of shyt as sports cars for too long. Chevy showed the world how it's done.

Everybody likes using the phrase game changer. But corvette made the phrase real.

The Camaro is nice too.

You're about to join import convert in the iggy list.

Don't lets all drink the Kool-aid just yet,

The numbers are impressive. The car has potential. Especially at the price announced.

But I'm not buying the hype that 30,000 lemmings have already rushed out to put money down on a car that they don't even know the price of yet. If that is the case, then guaranteed dealerships will be adding "market adjustments". Or maybe supply will be strictly limited in the first year (like that won't attract price markups).

For those who did put a deposit down, many will walk when they find out what the true bottom line number is. Or once they discover that no cars will be built at the announced price (all the first year might well require an additional $20,000 in options). More will pass when they discover that their allocation won't be built for 16 months. Or when they find that the lease or finance rates are way higher than they are for product that isn't moving. Still more will bail on the first bad review. For others, circumstances will change, forcing them to back out. There will even be a few who are expecting to flip the car for a profit across the street from the dealership when they take delivery. This happens at every launch for every special model.

I have great hopes for this car. But in the end, it is still a Chevy and will have lousy paint, poor quality fit and finish, repulsive interior surfaces, and bits will start to fall off at about 40,000 miles. And I'm with the crowd that stays away from the first year or two of a new or radically re-designed model.

As I understand it, GM will be touring a few cars to dealerships. Those would be the "special invitation VIP reveals" to be invited to. Maybe they'll offer free cookies and Kool-aid.

I've been rather impressed with the quality of their recent vehicles... This isn't the GM of the early 2000s any longer. I have a friend with a new camaro and i'm actually pretty impressed with it.

I think my paint looks pretty effin good. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b35dca1851.jpg

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Come on man... Not that!!!!!

6'5 300 lbs.. fit in the camaro. I'm 6 inches and over 100lbs leaner. But good to know it was engineered for all sizes. He takes a tour of the cockpit and I'm really impressed with the uniqueness of the corvette inside the car. Seems well thought out as well. The trunks seem VERY USEABLE...

https://youtu.be/yBHp3fC5lp8

You're really :supergay:

Goodbye

You're the one driving a gaymaro dude ...

A breakdown of why no manual transmission.

https://www-caranddriver-com.cdn.amp...ransmission%2F

"All season tires"? Wonder if they'll include a set of snows on steelies if you ask them? LOL

With a proper DCT transmission in this car, there won't be very many nay-sayers after they've driven it. They are just that good nowadays. And that fun to drive. And that engaging. Launch control on the 4C takes over shifting because even with the paddles you'd hit the rev limiter. The C8 is well over a second faster to 60, so I don't frankly see how you could do it any other way. Besides, in a manual it would be a toss-up as to whether you'd blow out the clutch, or your left knee first! :-)

Bigger problem will be those people used to automatics driving a DCT as if it had a torque converter.