The best 911 is back after 2 years....
 

The 444hp 911 GTS was announced with 5 variants....

https://www.google.com/amp/www.motor...auto-show/amp/


and still no Z news...

God i miss my cayman s...i know its no 911 turbo but nothing beats a mid engine porsche for handling and for 15k there's a company an hour away from me in jessup Maryland that will turbo charge a cayman via the "gt3 slayer" package giving it around 550whp again with mid engine handling. I get goosebumps just thinking about it

Sweet 7speed manual wish I can afford :(

Get some GT-3RS back panels on this to spruce up the looks n call it a day.

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...1-carrera-gts/

All Nissan had to do with the current Z was offer a turbo version, and price it at 50-55K or so and it would have sold. I have a 2009 911 C4S now and I love driving it. I had a Nismo Z and I liked it too, it just needed more power and refined engine. The chassis, aero effects, and brakes were great. I could have added boost on my own but it seems that people that do that are always chasing something to fix or some CEL. TPC is the company you are talking about in Jessup.

Nissan won't be able to sell a Z past $50K with the current infiniti engine unless that Z is a 450hp Nismo.

Nissan going silent devalues enthusiast interest in Nissan.

Here's Nissan mentality.

Ghosn: We made great sports car yet America has criticized it and hasn't bought em up in droves.... we're mad let's make EV'S instead even though Americans aren't buying those either...

Product development: Mr Ghosn, what about the 80,000 loyalists who bought Z's and the 150,000 350z owners waiting for a Z35?

Mr Ghosn: Fvck em let them buy a leaf or let Kia outdo us and take our enthusiast clientele with their 2800lb 375hp coupe, like the one we falsely promised our fanbase. :ughdance:

Jungle Z.... the most annoying profit in history. Smh. :facepalm:

Sooo who's all gonna jump on the KIA band wagon ..:icon14: Also do you think Nissan ever goes and reads forums like this one??

I'm shooting for the Alfa but I'm a Kia fan!!! Kudos to Kia for having balls and not a Mangina like Nissan. I'll keep my Z and hold on to the memory when Nissan had a swinging d1ck and didn't make pansymobiles for bleeding heart Prius drivers.

Obviously the manginas at Nissan are too busy reading Vogue, cosmopolitan and out magazine to be on on our forum.

I'm sure they're at the lab trying to make new paints for the Rogue sport to match women's lipstick and colored boy panties.

Nissan lost its edge. Cuz the biggest news Nissan has is a 141hp Rogue "sport" and 200 miles on a leaf.

:supergay::koolaidwall::superghey:

True, how hard would it have been for them to drop that engine in the Z...not hard at all. Sounds like the first person that gets a wrecked Infinity and drops the motor into the Z get a prize. But yes, its all green this and that now with extended range and that with Nissan...blah.

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I agree ... Nissan needs to :gtfo2: with that shit :shakes head:

I posted in the $60k for a Z35 thread regarding the Z and recent NAIAS news.

Kia is crushing it, and they're nowhere near the money machine Nissan is. We're down to a philosophy discrepancy here, not a business one. Nissan could afford to use the Z, like the GT-R, as a sellable marketing tool. They would rather not. The only people that can get things moving in the product planning department in that company are those that can speak crossover.

Think about it - two of Nissan's "newest" SUVs/CUVs are ones that have been sold in Europe for the last five years before their debut in the states. Hardly innovative. Marginally competitive (Armada).

I would rather see someone like Kia eat Nissan's sports car lunch at this point. Can't wait to see the Head 2 Head with the Stinger stomping the vagisil out of a Maxima on a track.

Kia was fn fast when the ran in the Cadillac World Challenge and you get 10 year 100k warranty for the non-moding folks and for the moding gang oh my it will have great price point per horsepower.

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nissan > porsche

Nissan makes a REAL sports car. Camaro isn't a sports car. Corvette is a different type of sports car based on power and dimensions.

The Z has just enough muscle, direct and responsive steering loads of feedback over 30mph. It's not 86 light but it works. And nobody has that with a useable trunk for less than $55K. Z may be low volume but it's a car you build because a Z is a religion!!! Ghosn don't get that shyt. He thinks the EV blade glider is exciting news???

The Nissan BladeGlider isn't dead yet | Top Gear

drift mode ?

:icon18::icon18: what the Fu*k is that thing...

Man that GTS is sweet.

I don't think I'll be able to pull off a 911 GTS and an Alfa? Cuz outside of the Z, I gotta bump up an extra 100K to get the type of experience I'm searching for?!!

Heh, obviously I have not been in the demographic that Porsche sells to since I didn't even know until now that a 911 with a "4" in its name is all wheel drive. That is awesome and now I am looking at 911s...

SO...in the past the GTS's have NOT been forced induction....correct?

While a new 911S is about $110K and a 911 Turbo is $180K..........

It's just hard to get excited about P cars. Maybe it's just me.

GTS has never been forced induction. So follow along.......Porsche has: base 911, the 911S, the 911 GTS, the 911 GT3, 911 GT3 RS, 911 GT2, 911 GT2 RS. then we get the 4 added in for AWD excess the 4 does not apply to the GT2 or GT3, Then we have 911 Turbo and 911 Turbo S. So the one to get IS the 911 4 GTS.....within the 911 you can get the power pack that has the revised heads, exhaust, cams, and tuning...Its expensive....as a add-on its about 15K....not many people get it. So the GTS has the power pack included and its the widebody.

once you drive one you get hooked on them. Other cars are faster or quicker....well except for the 911 Turbo....so go test drive one. A used 911 997.1 or 997.2 can be had for 50K or less. A GTS is still above 65K. I could have got a 911 997.1 Turbo for 52K, and I missed out.

Im a massive P Car fan. IMHO, a few of the models are actually worth the money. The engineering is astonishing in a handful of them. Truly amazing machines. Yes, alot of money for a car for us "Joes" but performance, feedback and luxury to best cars that at least twice as much and NOT looking like a dbag doing it. That last part never hit home so hard as it did recently. Was in Naples this weekend, as I am frequently just enjoying my weekend. I saw two Lambos, new ones. A white Aventador and green Murcielago. The FIRST thing I thought was...what a complete and saturated tools the balding, overweight, middle aged drivers looked like making those left turns. I laughed. Saw a bunch of Porsches obviously. Barely did a double take albeit for two high end 911's. A handful of Ferraris too, slightly lower on the tool factor than the Lambos. Slightly. I think one NEEDS to be a Hollywood mega star to pull off driving a Lambo with dignity in public.

IN RELATED NEWS... The Porsche 911 GT3 gets a manual option.

2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Gets Manual Transmission And 198 MPH Top Speed

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My mind has been changing about AT vs MT vs DCT mainly due to the performance gap disappearing, but if I was rich and wanted a track Porsche, no doubt that I would go manual.

New Porsches could be dipped in dog-s**t and they still would look awesome!

Performance gap disappearing??? LMFAO!!
DCT has had an advantage over manual for 15+ years. When the Z first came out. They auto was the 4.6 to 60 and the manual was 4.9. with the auto having a .2 second lead in the quarter mile.
So I would say that auto superiority has been a long time happening. It's just manual heads are NOW FINALLY beginning to accept that manuals might be more fun.... I'll give you that. But have been honestly the inferior transmission for a decade. There's just no argument to that...

That said, I think it's AMAZING that Porsche did make a row your own in the GT-3. Cuz the 911R is freakin pricey.

It just makes sense that a machine can be more responsive than a human for sure. The manual in the BMW M4 was just horrible compared to the Z, but the DCT was pretty impressive when I test drove them. I have subscribed to the ideology that a true sports car is a manual, but my next car is going to be a daily driver, so my requirements are less rigid (even though sedans are out).

I agree on that the auto is now more better (pun intended) but it has an evolution of things. The old autos were not reliable and putting high horsepower to them ended badly. Those issues were a lot less for a manual. What cracks up is the all the talk about having to row gears on a manual versus an auto...it's the same but different lol!

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I took a spin with go fast guy in a new m3 with a dc on my last track day....simply bad ***! Buttery smooth!!!

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I would say the "purest" form of sports car driving is a manual. But the word "true", that goes somewhere else and then I'd have to disagree.

I like both flappy paddles and manuals. I feel the paddles create a little more versatility. As far as DCT/Auto, "not being true sports cars"? With that I take mild issue as to me. I don't think that leaving out the step of not having to depress a clutch wouldn't suddenly make a car, not a true sports car. I believe if the car was made with a non shifting auto, that would be more conducive to a car NOT being a true sports car. Another thing would be CVT transmission which removes gear changes from the equation altogether.

It's just a matter of semantics, metrics go to autos now. Thats a fact. A human with a mechanical interface will NEVER be as efficient as an electronic interface. Just simple physics. Fun factor? Row, row row row your gears gently down the track....

TITAN is their pride and joy now. All R&D was dropped into this by the sounds of it. They forgot about the rest of the line up. :shakes head:

You forgot about Nissan's newest sports car. The rogue sport. :koolaidwall:

Don't they have a NISMO Rogue? :icon14:

Hey, a LOT of R&D went into rebadging what's called the "Qashqai' in every other market, to bring you Rogue Sport! LOL

Personally, I think they blew the product development budget by paying off LicasFilm / Disney.

Unless Nissan does something surprising the new Z is already a fail. There is already another Z that is looking a lot more promising, and that would be the upcoming BMW Z4/Z5.

It hate the thought of being a BMW owner.

I'll take the Supra

That is by far and away the #1 reason why I would not buy a BMW. Fanboys with money (not all though).

Not yet but Ghosn thinks your idea is a better investment than the Z. So you'll get one really soon. For now u gotta live thru the excitement of the midnight edition.

You'll be delighted to hear that Carlos Ghosn is stepping down soon. Be careful what you wish for...

The lineup...

Porsche sells 21 versions of the 911 in the US — now including the GT3 - Business Insider