I've already got a hat-system.

Regular cowboy hat up to about 55mph.
(which is above the speed limit in any part of my small town. So folks that have known me for 25 years, and NEVER seen me without the hat or pickup truck , will certainly be saying to each other "is that who I think it is?" when I whistle past)

Once outta town, or being a hooligan on the back roads, I have a new silver Nissan Z baseball cap sitting in the passenger seat. :)

Bought it at a Nissan dealership when I went to get a second key fob programmed.

Thanks for the welcome fellas.

Today IS my birthday. How the heck did you know? Technically, the little roadster is a gift to myself for behaving, for the most part, until my kids got grown up. Time to get in a little mischief. My youngest is now a county sheriff deputy. Might come in handy?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b41053dffa.jpg

When this thread started 1 year 5 months and some weeks ago. This was not true. What could've made this change so suddenly?

Kia growing drastically from 2017 to 2018. Proving that having a solid performance car boosts sales.

https://press.kia.com/eu/en/home/med...017_sales.html

HYUNDAI expanding Montgomery plant.

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...ery/650951002/

Nissan LOSING market share and cutting production.
IF Nissan thought the Z was an important car? They'd be expanding like Kia/Hyundai. The Halo effect is a sales magnet.

https://jalopnik.com/nissan-is-slash...-20-1826384273

WHEN Isuzu had the Impulse... they were selling like hotcakes. They had one of the most attention grabbing commercial series of the 80's. The kinda helped revolutionize advertising along with selling a crap load of Impluse, Amigo and Rodeo vehicles. Then isuzu decided to focus only on economy cars...

Where are they now?

Isuzu flashback
https://youtu.be/nJMq_7alQpU

FWIW, on-track comparison between Mustang GT and Kia Stinger.

https://youtu.be/rdsxfTJiTVw

I cannot get the audio to work on my computer right now, but this is at a track near me, and drivers are track instructors.

Mustang GT 1:22.10
Stinger 1:25.66

I don't know how each vehicle was appointed, or what mods might be on the Mustang.

Take what you want from it, but I thought it was interesting.

Cool video. That Kia has great launch dynamics! Looks good too.

The Korean Trio beat PORSCHE for BEST INITIAL QUALITY!!


https://jalopnik.com/genesis-hyundai...201-1827016493

But haters gonna hate... lol

Initial quality means jack today. Almost every car above 20k is pretty decent off the shelf. Kia os trying real hard with the Stinger and it definitely looks great on paper. But Stinger sales aren't exactly record breaking and 50k for it is a hard pill to swallow. In my opinion it's G70 cousin is so much better looking.

The thing is, JD Power is literally a marketing company.

Initial quality is the amount of warranty visits within the first 100 days. Has nothing to do with quality, but almost entirely how non-picky the owners are.

I can agree that the G70 is a nicer car and I'd actually consider that. But I promise you. If the 370z got a build quality rank? There'd be a lot of D**k suck in round here.
The fact that it's a less significant award is a valid point due to modern manufacturing...

BUT, this is a car company that sells cars between $15,000 and $52,000 that has eclipsed a quality standard of a company that sells cars from $58,000 to $1,000,000
I actually drove the stinger so I'm not talkin out my Aziz. It's a good and competitive car for the money. When I pass dealerships in Texas. There's new ones coming out with temp tags. I see them on the street here.

People keep arguing $50k for the top line Kia, but u can forego the power trunk n some electronics n purchase for 44k. N the 50k is equipped like the 56k Infiniti. And all the buttons etc are more tactile in the Kia. While the Infiniti boasts better aluminum parts n shapes. I think these cars kinda draw in value. N knowing that their build quality standards are shooting up isn't a bad thing.

But like I said. Haters gonna hate.

Should be interesting to see how these respond to tunes. So far Looks to be a mid-range torquey motor just like the VR30. Both cars are making gobs of torque coming on at just 2k. God damn, makes me have a little buyers remorse for buying a VQ instead of a VR powered Q50.

After driving turbos most of my life, the Z took a long time to get used to. Totally different power delivery. I miss it sometimes, even the new Civic (turbo) feels punchier around town.

The Kia dealership I drive by often has like a dozen of them sitting out front, and made me realize I've yet to see one on the road.

I'm guessing we'll start to see a lot in a couple years when you can buy one for 20k.

Looks like they barely sell 1200 a month. Brand panache matters in this price point. It's why Infiniti/Lexus exists! And now Hyundai's own Genesis.

I had a 3.0TT Q50 loaner and the mid-range in that car is great. I love revving my 3.7 but everyday driving g having all that torque so low was great. There are Q50 jb4 guys with down pipes showing +75-100wtq in the mid-range with it coming on around 2k rpm. Crazy!

The Kia is 3900 lbs but feels as light on its feet as the red sport and gets more feedback through the steering wheel, so you know what the tires are doing in the kia... not the Infiniti. The Kia engine murders the 3.7 and has progressive torque till max boost when you finally hit the pop. The red sport is more like an NA giving you a particular amount of sudden torque in more RPM points than the Kia. But that said. The Q red sport transmission is an abomination. The Kia isn't. It's snappy and responsive so it doesn't muddle the sensations of its excellent engine.

The Kia stinger doesn't eclipse the Q but people that value different aspects of performance would lean toward one or the other if they can get past Kia BIAS.

But honestly. I don't think the q50 will survive the G70.
With the weight reduction and even more aggressive transmission tuning? The current Kia transmission is already way better. A sportier tune in the G can only make this car a threat. Honestly. The only car really standing far ahead In this pack is the Alfa Giulia. N their price point rivals Kia in the Ti Sport. U want a car that puts Kia, Infiniti and even BMW to shame???? The Giulia, hands down. Nothing drives like it. Genesis is gonna have to work miracles to get next to the Giulia. Same with the infinit.

Lol. Thanks for the afternoon amusement.

I'm just glad the d@%k suckage has been kept to a minimum around here. :hello:

I gave the most honest review of three cars that I've DRIVEN . If anyone here isn't a sedan guy. It's me... Any OG on here knows this.

JUST the fact that id give that much respect to the Giulia is a miracle. I still bought an acura tlx 2.4 tech dct. I hate Acura in looks. But at 21k. It's a lot of luxury great on gas n room for a low price. Do i feel like, wow, I own a ac? No! Are my aspirations to get a sport sedan? Not sure. I'd rather get an Alfa coupe.

Even my camaro. It was hard to get into a muscle car, while 6 years in a Z n owning the Infiniti g, a 240sx n a Mazda rx7. I hadn't bought muscle since 1990.
But despite the camaro being not my first pic. It drove too much like a vette for fork up $30k more to have all the same features n damn near the same performance.
I let the driving experience lead me. Not brand loyalty.

So u know what u can do with your sarcasm. :tiphat:.

Yo, I don't have a dog in this hunt... just thought what you said, particularly that phrase, was funny... made me laugh. I'm not critical of what you buy, like or drive.

Yo... My bad.... lol.

No problem. :tiphat:

I would not worry about Kia at all. They are higher to insure, tend to get totalled in most accidents and at the end, they will have a lower resale value than Nissan any day.

Ian B

I just looked at the bread and butter cars IN MY SALES REGION..

A 2016 Kia optima ex with 26,000 miles is 18k
A turbo ex is valued much more than a SL

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=206792006

A 2016 Nissan Altima SL with 30,000 miles is $14k
A 3.5 sl is about $16k

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=180152459

Where u get all these statistics u talking...
If you state it... prove it otherwise u talking trash

You linked two cars in different states that are 500+ miles apart. The Altima has 11k miles more than the Optima, for sale at a po-dunk dealer, on the market for 200+ days and was a rental. Good job

Might want to work on your "statistics"

I don't understand why everyone here is so touchy.

Because :drama:

In case you haven't noticed, it's a worldwide phenomenon and epidemic in our species.

I don't think it's your fault. :)

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That’s why I did not respond to the person who quoted me. Life is too short to waste arguing in a forum.

Ian B

Imagine being able to go back in time today and sit down with Einstein, DaVinci, or Ben Franklin, and explain: “I hold in my hand a device that can put me in contact with 2/3 of the population of the planet, and which gives me instantaneous access to the entire compendium of knowledge of all mankind from the dawn of history to a few seconds ago. I use it to look at cute cat videos and get into arguments with people I don’t know.”

Peace.

Any more :drama: around?

Kia has improved a lot in terms of performance and quality.
But would I buy one for 50K? Certainly not.
Most people are brand conscious specially with cars.

My chance of picking up a girl is higher with my Z than with the Kia stinger!
So in my books my Z still wins!

Case dismissed? Lol

But thank you for a nice review on the Stinger.
Though I’ll stick with my muscle car and Z.:tup:

Yeah, I Iike cats too.

If your pick up skills are based off the car you drive? Then my man.... you need help. Lol. U know something though.... I'm just being honest here. Most chics in Texas didn't really go gaga over my Z. It was other dudes. When I got the camaro. I get women asking me if it's a SS allll the time. N then strike a convo with me.
Here women love common *** pickups n muscle cars.

With the Z. Girls would say. "I love your car but it's too small U can't fit anything in there." But.... the moral of the story is.... When I bag chics in malls or bars. They have no idea what I drive. Rely on your skills, not the whip. Lol :rofl2:

First off. I used my region cuz all cars of the region cost the same. Second. I used 2 cars that are selling with the same specs. I gave you average costs in writing between the vast models over a whole region. Then I showed u two co.parable cars.

One is CPO so there a $1,200 discrepency on that.
Mileage, 9,000 miles difference on 2016 is inevitably 1,000, so since the region sells the same and both these cars are same specd for their brand. They are valued about the same.

I can go digging in the internet on lower trim models that would be easier. But Mississippi is 400 miles from here not over 500. N it's part of our networking region.

Here's the low end models same area if it makes u happy. I chose loaded cuz they are a truer estimate of depreciation. There's more wiggle room on base vehicles.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=203658282


https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=210913854


As you can see the k ia is selling slowly but the Altima is new on the lot. That's the $1000 discrepency. On average if you look. Loaded Kia optima's selling about $2grand higher than Altima n base cars about the same.


Brand perception is part of the same formula why people are classiest and racist. They have to put a shallow mark on a person or product or whatever. People won't test drive a car. They just say, it's a Kia, it's gotta suck. N stick by their guns with no proof except 15 year old statistics n he said, she said stories.

People are online not experiencing life but giving an opinion on everything they DON'T DO...

INFUCKINCREDIBLE

:tup:Totally agree. :tup:I even drive a Camry yet I get lucky few times. :tup:
I’ll buy a Kia Sorento as a family car. But a Kia for a sports Sedan at 50K? I’ll still get the Infinity or Lexus instead. Sorry I must admit Im a brand person.

Honestly Would you trade your Camaro with the Stinger?

Naw dude.... I wouldn't. But who would trade a coupe for a sedan in any sports car scenario? As good as these sedans are. They don't have the same feel as coupes n roadsters.

Just because I won't buy a Kia Stinger doesn't NOT make it a GREAT CAR. I've DRIVEN it.... it's really a nice ride...

That said... if I was in the market for a sedan, without having to trade my coupe. I'd consider a Kia. I'd consider the G70 even more. But like I said. The car I think is THE BEST performer the Giulia and my first choice.

I'm just not so brand loyal that I can't say when a car company does a spectacular job. The optima, k900, and stinger are nice cars. Really well made cars. I really think for the money. A stinger is a great value, once you experience using it's features and driving it.

The Kia is not the only car I like NOR my first choice. Still doesn't stop it from being amazing.

And it being a sedan. I don't see why a few feel so threatened by it to compare it to a 370z. They have different philosophies of use...

I've tested a Stinger with the v6 (went with a family member that was looking at it)... OMG, what a car! I'd totally consider one if I were in the market for a sedan. I couldn't care less about brand name. You have to drive it to believe it.

Ive driven my bosses K900 many times, thing is flipping AMAZING period. Even more amazing given the price point.

Editing to state that... this statement is not an argument. It's just a view on how to choose the right cars for u. I gotta be clear on a kia thread. Where hostility reigns.


If the name on the car is why you choose a car? You are already losing.

Car value and depreciation only mean something to people who lease or buy a new car every 3 years. If you are keeping your car a whole car generation? Buy what you like and enjoy.

I bought my Acura tlx cuz 38% of the depreciation was eaten. And when I sell it in two years. I would only lose 12% of the depreciation. I really don't like acura's but I was able to figure out this math. The car is for business purposes. So I got what can play the role of business car and grocery getter.

If you think you'll keep your Stinger for 6 years or the duration of America's greatest warranty? Buy one.

That's my recommendation on the Kia.

who are you arguing with

found another one of these ugly things driving to work today.

the one thing that really makes me hate it even more is the fact they couldnt even be a little creative with their styling. the whole car is a rip off of other cars and smashed together.

the rear end is a complete copy of the maserati gran turismo rear end. like cmon now at least try to style the car yourself.

:facepalm:

Do you know how many people back in 1970 were whining about the 240z being a ripoff of the Jaguar E type, Ferrari Daytona and other similarly styled cars.

Do you know how many people were whining about the rx7 being a Porsche 924 ripoff. Despite all the complaining purists. These cars went on to be their own heritage cars that finally came into their own.

The camaro was a copy of the mustang. Today the camaro is a stronger drivers car than the mustang.

The Stinger looks like the original optima, but muscular and more dramatic that has a couple styling cues from Maserati and Lexus. Which is fair game cuz Toyota been robbing other people's styles as well. N they are an established company. Jus sayin.

Also, if people love this car and hate this car. Kia did a great job. When you think of a fusion. Do you even have an emotion? :rofl2:

Crossover anyone?

He's stinging everyone that doesn't agree! FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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