Interesting topic,this Stinger.

I had an opportunity to drive a Kia Stinger last week.
The model was was not actually for sale. A promo to get
orders for incoming inventory.
Could be that I own as part of my vehicles,a Kia Soul.
The Soul is a great little MPV. That is what I use it for.
After 36k miles,no problems at all.You can drop the rear seats,haul stuff etc.
A WELL below 20k vehicle.It is what it is...
The major problem I see with Kia selling the Stinger is much the same as the SLOW
selling Credenza.
Perception.
The general public does not want to pay a price well into the upper 30k territory
for a Kia. The top of the line dual turbo Stinger is gonna hit near 50k with all the
bells&whistles.
Gotta add in the awful resale value for the average Kia.
The Soul's is pretty good.

It's got to be a hard sell or,will take awhile.
Market perception is hard to change.
I owned a 70's model Audi 5000. Big problems with Audi's
Took decades to get them back to the current top .
But,Audi is German.
Kia and other Korean cars are just finding their way.

I'd stay away from the Stinger.

You are also forgetting resale value European cars hold much better value than an kia/Hyundai. In fact, my cousin just recently purchased a pre owned 2015 genesis g90 v8 420hp version for almost half the price with only 5k miles. If you are interested in the stinger I would wait a couple of years.

IIRC, Hyundai bought Kia a couple of years ago

Since this is a Nissan/Z forum,don't know why we are talking in length about
a Kia model.
Saying that,I'll add a few more comments.
As I do also own a Kia(Soul),yes-Hyundai is part of the Korean family linked with Kia.
In fact,they share many parts. A bit like Nissan and Infiniti.
I'm a bit confused on why Kia is upping their game into a more performance car.
You see,Hyundai was positioned as the upper brand with more luxury and horsepower.
Kia,a bit like the Chevy of old. Meat&potatoes brand. Furthermore,all Kia dealerships
I have seen are a joke. The staff should be on a low end used car lot. They know
nothing about the details of the cars much less attempting to sell a model that has
a BMW and others in the cross hairs.
But hey,I bought an original 350Z in 2002. I visited 6 Nissan dealerships until I
found #7 that really new anything about the car.
And,that was the sales manager for the dealership.
Maybe Kia will learn to catch up?
Right now IMO,doubtful.

:iagree::iagree: I still have that 90's mentality "you can buy a Hyundai/Kia for new at 9,000" which is a turnoff lol I know the company came a long way but I will never own one, sorry.

Saw the new STINGER on the road in a red very similar to passion red. It's a beautiful car. I was totally impressed. Rrom a distance is nicer than say a Q50 and I think the 50 is a beautiful car. The Giulia quadrifoglio is still my favorite sedan but Kia really brought it with this one.

That Stinger is something quite impressive. I hate the name however lol. I won't say Nissan has dropped the ball but are going in the same direction most other manufacturers are heading towards. Kia just wants to stay ahead of the curve and I'm glad to see someone doing something besides rhe big American 3.

I have a friend that owns two hyundai cars. Same car as far as I'm concerned. The dealerships screw him every time he has to take it in for problems and service. That 100,000 mile warranty has some fine print. He even had to pay for a leaking turbo oil line that the crap warrantee would not cover.

His two cars make all kinds of weird sounds going down the road and they drive like crap at only 50k miles. My wifes 2011 4runner with over 100,000 miles drives like the day we bought it new and has never had an issue.

Korean cars suck just like they did back in the 80s.People see so many of them on the road and just assume they must make good cars. I'm sure the "stinger" will live up to it's name.

Quite simply, if you're going to live your life complaining that other cars that are now faster than yours, than you are going to be disappointed for the rest of your life regardless of what car you buy. Eventually whatever you buy is going to be beat by something else.

If the only reason you bought the Z was because it was the fastest for its price at the time than you are doing it wrong, you shouldn't be owning cars, leasing might be a good option for you. Not everyone buys cars for the same reason otherwise the Z wouldn't still be selling now, i bought mine recently and there were a TON of other cars i could of bought but the only car i wanted was the Z and I prefer my Z anyday over anything else, i love its heritage, the timeless curves, i just love driving the car, because its the car i wanted, the car i chose to spend my money on.

At the end of the day you need to find what it is you are personally like, and when you find that car, other cars wont matter because your car will trump anything else.

Also, I saw the kia stinger recently and imo it looks like an average sedan.

I don't believe that's what Unknown is saying. He is simply stating that other manufacturers that were once considered crap are giving their Japanese rivals a big run for the money. And in reality the Stinger will also only appeal to a specific demographic but that's no different than a Z, Corvette, Gen Coupe etcetera. He is expressing that the sports car movement from Japan is becoming sort of stale. So Korea has taken the reigns and is doing something different instead of just Chevrolet or Ford. We all love our cars for different reasons but realistically what's next? The 390z? The 400? Or just get a GTR.

I don't know who you directed "the faster than" statement to? But if it was to me? Im just gonna say, i owned my Z for 6 years and a G37 before it. Ive never complained about its "speed" i was quite happy with my car but Nissan took too long to come out with a next gen so i moved on cuz I wanted more performance. If Nissan comes back with a new Z I may go back? The q60 chassis was underwhelming and the transmission is a joke. I buy drivers cars. Nissan falls short of this minus the Z and GTR. The Q is hokey, lacks identity from a driver's standpoint. It's a beautiful face with a soul in need of prozac. It's no Z.
That's just a truth. Seems more like others can't see another car do good just to justify their own purchase, that really doesn't need justification. You buy what u buy. But that Kia... well. It's A better car on paper and it gives you what a car should in 2018. We'll see reliability as time passes but I think they fixed their reliability issues and learned a lot from the gencoupe run.



As far as anyone commenting on Kias rep...
Kia is not even comparable to Infiniti in quality. It compares to Nissan. So when I compared the stinger. I compared it to the Maxima. The Maxima CVT is completely unreliable and soulless. So I don't get the elitism about Kia reliability

Consumer reports ranks Kia 3 in reliability. Nissan 11. So the Kia bashing from a Nissan owner is kinda lame, when statistically, Kia surpasses most car companies, namely, Nissan. We had our share of non compliance from Nissan as well. It's kinda hypocritical.

I love the Z. For what it does it does it well. Could there be improvements? Absolutely. I just have a feeling that the Z heritage has probably run it's course and they're won't be another one. So as car enthusiasts what do we do..we move on to another vehicle that excites us. By the time I move on from the Z there is no telling what will be on the market.The GTR is getting dated as well and the creation of new Japanese muscle/sports cars are becoming few and far between. For what it's worth the Stinger is unique and pretty damn quick...same thing I looked for in my Z which I'm proud to say I daily!

Dood. An average sedan is a camry, an accord, a maxima, a malibu. Not a low & wide 365 hp, 376 tq, rapid gear-changing, sub 5 second, Z ball-busting twin turbocharged 4 dr.

yeaaaaaaa but have you seen one in person?

the stinger is looks like absolute trash :bowrofl:

The numbers don't impress me and have nothing to do with looking like an avg sedan lol. Also based off caranddriver.com the car is not much wider than the z with a difference of 19mm and its not much lower either. But like i said it looks styling wise like an avg looking sedan, at least to me and dont even get me started on how ugly those taillights are.. . :icon17:

saw one at the gas station last friday. honestly had to walk past it twice to realize "oh hey look that new kia thingy."

so yes i'm with you. it 100% looks like an every day plain jane sedan. it is not special, it is not pretty, it does not stand out, and those stupid markers that wrap around off of the tail lights are just tacky to me.

plus its 45-50k for meh. i can get many other toys that look way better and perform the same if not better.

:tup:

Not to hate on the competition, but I agree with Asus and FPenvy. The Stinger looks like someone/something has taken the Sting out of it. Average to just slightly above average sedan is about right. Performance? For a DD, it will be sitting on a highway in rush hour traffic with the best off 'em. But we are all entitled to our opinions.

My biggest fear is the Z will meet the same fate as the eclipse.

style is absolutely subjective, but if trash is wrong to say then you won't want my full honest opinion :stirthepot:

:roflpuke2:

but seriously it's trash. at any angle i see other cars styling that was stole/copied. nothing is original or exciting on this car.

as for the price/performance/etc i can go tomorrow get an AWD 2016 BMW 550 with a TT V8 for 40-45k.

now that is well worth the money vs a Kia :driving:

EDIT: or a 2015 550 for 30-36k low miles :tiphat:

I'm even more impressed now that I know Kia put this car out not expecting to sell many. They knew they'd get cannibalized by the SUV market but decided to out a performance sedan put there in limited numbers.

Nissan could care less about giving people performance.

From Juke (188 turbo hp) to Kicks (125NA hp)??? Lol. Good job boring people to death.

New Mitsubishi eclipse anyone???


I'll take the STINGER.

https://youtu.be/ZDVbx1ZEs5E

Man you know what I just came from an Eclipse and I'm still good with some of the old forum members. Most of them went with 350z/370z too. Every fan of Mitsu hates to see the route they went. No new revamp of Evolution or Vr4. Just your basic commuter vehicles being produced to stay relevant. I'm not mad because changing trends and changing times mean you have to follow suit if you wish to gain a few sales in the market but someone has to do SOMETHING that isn't your Mustang or Camaro...I just like to have the options available which is why I went with a 370 anyway.

Mitsu could've built that crossover and left the eclipse name off of it. I agree about needing more cars. But I ended up in a camaro after driving 6 performance cars and making a tough decision. The camaro wasn't my favorite to look at, but murdered the scene behind the wheel. At the end of the day. I want my soul stirred. I can't drive a boring car just to be different. But I will choose the exciting car if it's also different.

The Z was the best car in the last decade for the money cuz it fit all aspects of the car buying experience, it was hot looking, powerful and handled crazy with mild mods.
Most cars today are disappointing.

The Giulia is the best handling car today imho. I just got cold feet cuz of reliability questions.

Exactly! The Eclipse cross? Why not rebrand it as an Endeavor or a new line altogether...I'm with you man it's just the options. All about the choices. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Camaro or Mustang and for the price of even your bare bones Mustang GT you get a solid ride right out of the box. Hell even the v6 Camaro is putting down some serious numbers. I don't think the Stinger will win over millions but it's another entry to keep us that are excited about cars excited!

Yes. Drove one. It is not a run of the mill sedan that many of you trash. Will I buy one? I'd consider used if I were in the market for a sedan. It is wider in person. Seating position was very good and at 45k for a GT1 isn't too bad. I would not waste time on their 2.0 4cyl turbo.

Interesting info.

Definitely, used is the way to go. It'll probably depreciate like a rock. But good on them for making it. You are right on the engine choice.

Here's the comparison of GT 3.3T AWD to the 370Z NISMO:
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel4693-6976.htm

Put the regular 2.0 turbo in and, oops, it don't look no good no more!
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel4693-7081.htm

The Alf a is doing horribly in resale... I may purchase soon. :happydance:

I feel you.... But the new vs used debate is not equal nor reasonable. It's the same as comparing a Z to a mustang. Just doesn't make sense.

I think no one had the balls in the sibpremium market except Kia. Imho, the STINGER looks like a hatch version of their own optima. Which was an original design when it arrived in 2010. I believe other car companies actually copied and luxurified the optima design. Any car you can compare to the STINGER in styling is newer than that older optima. It's like the took the optima a different direction and continued the old body style to make this car... just sayin.

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Even more the reason to hold on to your Z. I def plan on keeping this car. The heritage will always be there, always has, always will and it'll age like good wine. There are ppl who still have even the very older z cars and others still buying them now. imo an enthusiasts doesn't really hop around car's like the flavor of the year. When you find that right car for you, while you still appreciate other cars of course but the rest wont matter and you'll always remain loyal to the car that makes you want to drop all your money on :rolleyes:

I sold my Z, but I may purchase a Nismo depending on when z35 concept is ever revealed and the supra.

That's brand loyalty. An enthusiast just loves vehicles regardless. Many various automobiles invoke passion for numerous reasons. Changing brands means absolutely nothing. If a new model of a different manufacturer is released and it is a truly awesome machine then who really cares about brand loyalty. Life is too short to drive boring cars. I grew up in a Chevrolet house but my dad had owned many different models of cars including a 300zx but he loved cars in general and if something was better and he wanted it then he usually got it. Keep the Z, I love mine but if they don't intend on making a newer one eventually I wouldn't rule out other manufacturers to get what I want out of the car...but that's me.

Nicely put. :tup:

Thanks man! I see his point but with new technology and design will always provide a faster and better machine. To drive a Ferrari doesn't doesn't mean you can't appreciate Lamborghini. This is my first Nissan but I've always tried to make sure that whatever I drove I enjoyed. Brand doesn't matter to me..it's all about the car. We get caught up in this specific mindset that something that may have been considered your crap grocery getter is competing with other manufacturers that 20 plus years ago were out of their league...but that game has changed long ago my friend lol

I don't even know what your reading, I said an enthusiast loves vehicles regardless as well, just worded differently :confused:

Basically, shouldn't matter what brand new flashy tech comes out, you'll always still love the car you love. I made NO mention of being loyal to a brand nor did i imply it, i said loyal to the CAR & you can still appreciate other cars too. If anything I personally don't like Nissan as a "brand" for neglecting the z for as long as they did, they make great cars like the 370Z and the GTR but that's it.

Nothing dude . . . nothing changes. As a true enthusiasts you'll still love the car that you've come appreciate and enjoy. So what Nissan chooses to do afterwords or what other car comes out ... shouldn't matter to you. If you like another car you can buy it too but nothing changes to the car that you've come to love. This is assuming you bought the car because you actually like the car not because it was the fastest for the money at the time lmfao.

I just honestly couldn't imagine owning the same car forever. There will always be something better. Until the day I get a GTR or Gallardo I'll keep the Z lol

Well to be honest its very easy to get sick of anything really, for example manual transmission in rush hour traffic is annoying, but then there's a nice summer night cruise i love it all over again, but because i only summer my car, i still enjoy it years later... so you don't HAVE to get rid of it :icon17: moderation is key, having multiple cars will help with this lol but thats just my opinion :tup:

Oh if only good sir...if only lmao

IMHO, I don't believe that the Kia Stinger deserves 8 pages in this forum.

It's only 3 pages if you set max posts per page.

Still probably doesn't deserve that much ...

I'll tell you why it's getting 8 pages though....

Fully loaded New RWD Performance sedans under 50k

Q50s
Giulia Ti
Stinger GT

It's a shrinking segment.
Kia stepped up.