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Sorry man - we completely disagree on this one.

This car is nearly 10 years late to the party.

For $25k I can have a Focus ST or a Subaru WRX with 250+ hp. The late Mazdaspeed3 had 100lb-ft more torque for the same price and same curb weight. The GTI has more power and torque within 5% of the price of this thing.

I have another reply that's more colorful on the NISMO Sentra thread.

I don't know why you're saying 10 years too late. The last spec v which was a Nismo equivalent was in 2012?

The focus is a different car being a hatch. If I'm not mistaken? The Sentra is SIGNIFICANTLY lighter.... This car came in on the refresh saying. We're coming next generation. I look at this sentra more as a preview as to what is to come.

I do agree with your general sentiment but I am also a little surprised that you.... the most rational of the forum wouldn't wait for a full blown review of the sentra before criticism?

But I guess we all have our biases. :tiphat:

how much does this thing weight?

188hp/177lbs is a faking joke dis day and age of for a 'sporty' 3000lbs car.

Here's the first preview drive of the NISMO

https://youtu.be/R5cwJrprWHI

It seems at first drive RICER X's. Infuriated blowout about the Sentra May have strong credence to it.

This guys first impressions are one of it not driving special. Just driving well. It almost sounds like its what the SR should've been.

In reality the Juke Nismo RS engine made more sense with 215hp would make it more competitive. They're saying it would have cost Nissan more making the Sentra cost more.

I don't think the Sentra Nismo was a car any of us were really panging for. So it's one of those, do it right or don't do it at all cars.

Stiffen the steering. Make the shifter more positive. Stiffen the ride. They just made an SR and put Nismo badges on it.

So I guess the SR is really a regular sentra and the regular sentra is a piece of shyt not worth buying.

Nissan, get it together.

Those are my impressions from the feedback. Let's see what a track day shows? Maybe the steering stiffens up at higher speeds and the shifter becomes more engaging? Who knows?

But for right now? Not impressed with the words chosen to describe this car.

One positive. This car has one option. It will top out around $26K. Huge plus. If it can be had in dealers for $23K? It won't be a bad buy.

or just give it up now.. smart people know when to let go.

Well Bruno Sacco was a Genius as far as design goes. I still like the new Benz cars but they went downhill when he retired.

The marketing guy from Nissan spent most of the video trying to convince me that a Michelin all season tire is most of the reason behind the "performance increase" from the SR Turbo to the NISMO model.

A fvcking all season tire. $25k for an $18k Sentra with fancy bumpers and all season tires. A car that's supposed to be so awesome in the handling department it doesn't even have fully independent suspension.

I got nothing left for this company. Watch the next Z be a total turd. This company doesn't have the balls to make the next Z compete at the pricepoint it is destined for. It would take greater guts to make a "final edition" 370Z and admit all they want to be is a volume car company. Ice that cake and push the GT-R up into the Infiniti brand where it truly belongs.

Ghosn knows how to make money and his ultimate vision accomplishes that, but I see brands like Chevy and Ford making FUN vehicles while still making profits. Nissan is not doing that. They had the opportunity to prove that with this Sentra - a car that can play in a market that is blowing back up with competition, and instead they put out this uninspired piece of ****.

Save the Z (I still love the car - I may even buy another one someday when life accomodates), there isn't a single Nissan out there that I would buy over a competitor's alternative. A CX-5 over a Rogue, an Elantra over a Sentra, a Fiesta over a Versa, an F-150 over a Titan, an Accord over a Maxima, and a Camry over an Altima all day. Each of those vehicles presents an element of engagement that is completely lost in the vehicles Nissan offers.

I'm done ranting now :)

An accord over a maxima??? You lost me there. As far as Camry over Altimas? I'd rather buy an Optima or Legacy. And I own an altima. I like the v6 altima over my current 4 banger. But when I switch up my four door. I'm not going to get a sub premium car.

I agree with everything else

Let go of what? I had no plans of buying this car. I want to see what NISSAN is trying to give us. What's wrong with that? I chose not to be a pessimist till I have concrete information. What's wrong with that?

I'm not pining advocating or opposing this car. I'm merely observing Nissan's supposed sporting intentions. That's all.

was referring to Nissan, not u personally. Besides, I never thought u were dat smart to begin with. :p


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Lol..... You're no roving genius either!!! You're the outlier of Asian intelligence stereotypes. :rofl2:

I'll admit - the Accord over Maxima thing was to further my argument. That's definitely the closest margin there is of the comparisons I laid out. I do like the Maxima a good bit, but the Accord is offered with a third pedal. It's also a hell of a nice vehicle optioned out, and is very close to the Maxima. I also consider the Accord to be in the premium area the Maxima occupies, but not the Camry. The CVT torpedoed my potential Maxima purchase when life dictated that I needed four doors and a back seat - one of the first things I drove was the new Maxima... hated the transmission. Like all CVTs, it felt like it was watering down the engine. The Q50 felt like an entirely different animal when it was only slightly different on paper due to its 7AT.

That said, I know I'm not using a third pedal now (and life is making is less of a priority for me), but the second Infiniti offers a Q50 in a stick, I will order one. I'm not holding my breath, however.

I'll also caveat that when the Sentra NISMO concept debuted a few years ago, I was heavily entertaining one for a daily given what they were talking about at the time - near 300hp turbo four, wider and lower than the regular Sentra, Recaro seats, etc. I was absolutely going to consider that in the pack of cars I was looking at. That, to me, was an evolution of NISMO performance that would have commanded my dollar, FWD and all. That car would have been worthy among the WRXs, GTIs, and Focus STs of the world.

The NISMO we got will get romped by a Fiesta ST.

They really should have given it at minimum the 215HP version of the same engine, a suitable AT and independent suspension.

This Nismo does greatly reduce my hope for a promising Z. They hyped up making the NISMO division more pure sports and aftermarket friendly. If this is their first iteration of a more aggressive Nismo? It's a major fail. I'm gonna consider trading up to the current Nismo body style and getting a premium sports car of another brand. I guess there won't be a Z34 and 35 in my garage like I hoped. Those Jun exhaust cams would make the Z sound much more interesting. I could get the Nismo up to 400+hp NA mods I guess? I really wanted a turbo Z.

yah, nismo only stands for red e-tape look and some body work fosho..

https://youtu.be/FP139DFgd9w


Honest review of sentra by Nissan enthusiast put sentra at bottom of barrel and Hyundai sport in close proximity to Mazda 3

guy asked for reasons at the end of the clip.. so here it is. GTI cause it is faster dan my 370Z and i own both so i know wth im talking about.

at the end though, the STI is just a better car out of my 3.

Interesting - STI better than your Z? Powerful statement.

I hate VW, but out of the current offerings in the class, it's the winner. However, I don't know why the Focus ST wasn't mentioned in the video... different class? WRX... different class?

I like Motoman a lot. You can see he's doing his best to be objective but is extremely disappointed in the car.

Just as I suspected - this car is a $25k release price away from a total turd flop.

wat do u hate about VW? not dat im any kind of vw fan or GTI fan i dont really care. just curious.

ive never considered VW before my current GTI, but the primary reason why i got it is mainly to try DSG long term to see if i can like it enough to consider future sports cars with dual electronic clutch.. i also liked the GTI's nice leather interior (autobahn package), and no wavy body lines which i hate.

Strange I don't see my post from earlier

https://youtu.be/FP139DFgd9w

So motoman gave this a review. They said it was a good car when you don't compare it to anything. So it's bottom of the barrel. Everything that was said here came to fruition.

I saw another review which stated this car was better than a civic sport. That is not a civic si or type R though.

Everyone says it needs the 215HP Juke engine. It lacks apple carplay and Android auto. The biggest deal are dampers, spoiler, bigger Michelin pilots and a really smooth shifter.

VW reigns, Mazda 3 falls in 2nd and that's without a Mazdaspeed. (Smh). The new Elaborate sport is almost getting to the third place spot. Chevy is expected to answer Nismo and other cars.

In other words. Nissan fell behind.
Nissan is the equivalent of Honda and Toyota in 2000.

dat really sucks cause GTI's come out of the gate with great suspension (mine rides VWRacing springs which lower the ride a bit and drives REAL nice), has carplay/android auto, superb stereo, and i hear the MT shifts nicely too (mine is DSG).

only down side is the shitty tires VW put on my ride which were some junkook a/s tires which i immediately swapped to DWS06 with light weight OZ HLT wheels. dat alone transformed the car to a whole new level + added intake and piggyback. it's frikken miles ahead of dat pos nismo sentra in handling, power, interior, etc. etc.

I dislike VW because I was a former owner of a 2001 Jetta Wolfsburg, and it was the biggest hunk of garbage I have ever spent money on. The cars are great for their first 30k miles, and quickly show the corner-cutting put into building (plastic oil dipstick tubes, shitty electronics, etc).

I owned that car 2.5 years. It was VW certified with 28k miles on it when I bought it. From 28k to 80k, I went through a center console, glove box, four power window switches (three driver's door, one rear passenger door), a trunk release (the actual hardware - rigged it with zip ties and a spring from a bic click pen and it lasted longer than the factory hardware), a coolant temperature sensor, four mass airflow sensors, bank 2 o2 sensor, an engine wiring harness, rear brake caliper hardware, two front wheel bearings, and a transmission and clutch (trans failure was at 31k miles, btw).

It was cheaper for me to get out of the car into a more expensive (at the time) Sentra SE-R Spec V (2004 model) than to keep driving and fixing it.

I don't know how anything is from model 2010 going forward, but any VW I've seen with age has had quality problems. I have had things break on my Nissans, but I have never been concerned with being able to get to where I need to go when I turned the key. There were several times when I turned the key to start my Jetta and I had plans for someone to come get me along the way just in case. That's just unacceptable for a car with that age and mileage to me. I would say I might have had a lemon, but I had several friends with that generation Jetta and GTI that had several significant problems as well.

I hate it because the car was a BLAST when it worked. I loved it. But when it broke it was never less than $400 to fix. That was a tough pill for a poor college kid.

Then you must never have experienced ESCL or CSC failure on the Z :eekdance:

Correct, sir! hahaha good call.

Luckily, for the most part, if those things failed, they failed once and a fix was remedied. ECSL was recalled, and CSC either had an aftermarket alternative or workaround (Z1). Those were really the only two major problems with the Z.

No one had an answer for my why Jetta ate four MAFs in 60k miles. No one had an answer for why the guts of an ink pen served as a better trunk release mechanism than the factory junk (seriously... the replacement I rigged up lasted until I traded the car... around 50k miles or so from the time it broke). No one had an answer for why my clutch plate broke and shot through the transmission while my car was in cruise control on the interstate.

I had a bit of PTSD with that car I think...

My homeboy had a 98 then upped it to an 01 hoping it would he a better car cuz he in fact was a VW fanboy. Car sucked just as bad. He went into another car company altogether in 2004.

I feel the GTi is way overrated as a performance car. It's more like an extra fun commuter. The understeer is ridonculous and under aggressive cornering it pulls away from you...

RicerX - yah one of the main reasons why I hadn't considered a vw was reliability. It's euro basically a hit or miss.

I suppose the Mexican vw is trying harder to make a name for itself. My GTI quality is excellent and I don't foresee keeping dis car longer than 5-6 yrs 50k mostly highway miles tops. Hope it lasts