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falconfixer 12-16-2015 12:08 PM

Little more info on the Infiniti VR engine
 
A little more info on the new VR engine.

source : Infiniti announces new 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine – the most advanced V6 ever offered by Infiniti - Infiniti Online Newsroom


•New VR-series engine becomes the lightest, most powerful, cleanest and most fuel-efficient V6 engine that Infiniti has ever offered
•Two power outputs available: 400 or 300 horsepower
•Series of technical innovations enhance drivability and performance
•Compact layout features new integrated exhaust manifold
•The 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine family will first be available in the 2016 Infiniti Q50 sports sedan

NASHVILLE – Infiniti’s new compact, lightweight 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine is the most advanced V6 engine that the brand has ever offered, striking an ideal balance between drivability, efficiency, and performance.

The 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo is an all-new engine from the new and exclusive VR-series powertrain family, born out of the brand’s longstanding heritage of V6 powertrain production. The new engine has been engineered to empower the driver and offer increased power and torque and higher levels of efficiency than any comparable predecessors from the company.

The engine’s reduced weight and contained size is credited, in part, to a lighter and more compact cylinder block. The result is greater mechanical efficiency, while a series of new features and in-house innovations secure superior performance.

Selected Infiniti models will be equipped with the all-new 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo from 2016 onwards, with the engine available in two performance levels – 300 or 400 horsepower. Both engines share the same technologies and offer the same unrivalled sensation of potent and immediate power delivery.

The most advanced V6 engine Infiniti has ever offered
The all-new VR-series 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engines deliver a compelling combination of drivability, efficiency, and performance. The VR engines will be used in new Infiniti models that have been engineered to satisfy every Infiniti market worldwide, signaling the growing presence of the brand globally.

The all-new 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine was created through extensive in-house experience of six-cylinder powertrain development and backed up by a strong history of V6 engine production. The VQ-series V6 powertrain family, predecessor to VR, has been a long-established and multi-award winning series of engines that has appeared in Infiniti models since 1994. For fourteen years, from 1995 to 2008, this VQ engine was listed as one of “Ward’s 10 Best Engines,” an unrivalled achievement.

New technologies for class-leading power output and efficiency
The all-new 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine has been developed to deliver optimal power and torque for an engine of its size, together with optimized fuel efficiency. The high-output version of the power unit delivers 400 horsepower (298kW) at 6400 rpm and 350 lb-ft (475 Nm) maximum torque at 1600-5200 rpm; while the standard output version produces 300 horsepower (224kW) at 6400 rpm and 295 lb-ft (400 Nm) torque at 1600-5200 rpm.

While the 300 horsepower version is fitted with a single water pump, the 400 horsepower engine uses two water pumps for more effective management of heat when under operating at higher loads. In addition, for the 400 horsepower variant an optical turbo speed sensor gives a 30 percent power boost to the turbo system by allowing the blades to spin faster.

These outputs have been achieved while ensuring an improvement in fuel efficiency of up to 6.7 percent. This represents a best-in-class power-to-efficiency ratio for the 400 horsepower unit.

This power-to-efficiency performance was made possible thanks to a set of newly developed features. Advanced timing control ensures improved responsiveness, enabling quicker reactions to driver inputs.

A new electric motor is fitted to the valve timing system, increasing the speed of the throttle for enhanced response times. Not only does this have a positive impact on performance but also efficiency, with the engine able to operate more efficiently through closer control of cylinder combustion.

Power delivery is enhanced through an advanced new twin-turbo system enabling smooth and immediate responses under acceleration, while aiding efficiency. An optimized turbine blade design helps the engine generate greater overall performance, with faster turbine revolution speeds allowing for an immediate response from the twin-turbo system.

In addition, the V6 engine features a new turbine speed sensor, which allows for the twin-turbo system to perform at up to 220,000 rpm – at steady condition and 240,000 rpm at transient condition – higher than ever before for a V6 power unit. With greater capacity for faster revolutions, the twin turbochargers boost the higher-powered version of the engine to deliver higher power and torque. The turbo speed sensor on the 400 horsepower version allows for up to 30 percent more power output.

The engineers have developed a water-cooled intercooler system to further improve performance and efficiency. The system rapidly cools air as it enters the twin-turbo system, reducing turbo lag and allowing for more immediate acceleration. The secondary result is a cooling system that is more compact – meaning a shorter flow path for air entering the turbocharger to enable quicker engine response.

A new electronic wastegate actuator allows closer control of exhaust gas flow away from the turbocharger, restricting the amount of exhaust gas flowing through the unit to improve overall engine efficiency.

Lower weight, greater mechanical efficiency, more engaging drive
The core structure of the 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine weighs 429.5 pounds (194.8 kg) – 39.1 pounds (14.1 kg) less than the engine it replaces. The new turbocharger and advanced intercooler (or CAC) system componentry adds just an extra 56.9 pounds (25.8 kg), for 486.3 pounds (220.6 kg) total.

The all-new power unit is 19 percent (0.7-liter) smaller in capacity than earlier V6 engines offered by Infiniti. It builds on the company’s legacy of embracing new engineering solutions and technologies. Just as these earlier engines have always been respected for their lightweight aluminum construction and low mechanical friction – making them smooth, durable and highly responsive – the 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine follows its performance-oriented predecessors with a more compact and lightweight design, while maintaining a performance focus.

Chief among the new weight-saving elements is the adoption of spray bore coating for the engine block and integrated exhaust manifold for cylinder heads. Not only does this make the engine lighter, but this also aids cooling as heat can dissipate more effectively through the aluminum alloy bore wall, a process boosted further by its physical design, which encourages faster engine heat management.

The lower weight throughout the engine contributes to greater mechanical efficiency, with lower inertia from its lightweight aluminum components, while this added efficiency adds to the drivability and overall performance of the V6 engine.

The engineers have adopted a series of innovation technologies for application in the new V6 to deliver a more engaging driving experience. Chief among these is a new direct-injection gasoline (DIG) fueling system. The high-pressure DIG system allows for more precise injection of fuel into the combustion chamber, delivering the exact amount required for smooth engine acceleration, depending on throttle position and engine speed. This system makes the new V6 the cleanest and most fuel-efficient engine of its type that Infiniti has ever offered, contributing towards the 6.7 percent improvement in fuel economy.

The advanced valve timing control allows for more precise regulation of the fuel and air mix in the combustion chamber, helping the engine to operate more efficiently and improving fuel economy under all conditions.

The new cylinder-bore coating process further boosts mechanical efficiency. The new low-friction “mirror bore coating” technology allows the pistons to move more freely in the cylinders by reducing levels of mechanical friction by 40 percent compared to the previous V6 engines. This mirror bore coating process involves cylinder walls getting treated with a thermal arc spray coating after which the coating is hardened. The “mirror-smooth” cylinder wall reduces piston friction and boosts performance.

The mirror bore coating process saves the 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine 3.8 pounds (1.7 kg) in weight, when compared to previous V6 engines, owing to the hardened tolerance that the spray system gives to lighter metals.

One of the most significant features in the all-new 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine is the adoption of a new integrated exhaust manifold, built into the cylinder head, enabling engineers to position the catalytic converter closer to the exhaust point. This results in a shorter flow path for the hot exhaust gases, allowing the catalytic converter to heat up almost instantly – twice as fast as previous V6 engines – and reducing emissions from a cold start.

Moving the catalytic converter closer to the exhaust point saves weight by making the engine more compact than before. This design accounts for an 11.7-pound (5.3 kg) reduction in weight.

The new aluminum engine block has been constructed as a “square” engine, with equal cylinder bore and stroke dimensions (86.0 x 86.0 mm). As a result, the 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine combines low mechanical friction and fast-revving response. Power and torque are accessed across a broader spread of mid-range engine speeds, in which drivers typically spend most of their time. The result is, the ideal balance between drivability, efficiency, and performance.

New V6 engine to enter production in 2016
The all-new 3.0-liter twin-turbo V6 engine is due to enter production during 2016 and will be manufactured at the powertrain plant in Iwaki, Fukushima, Japan. The first application of the engine family will be in the 2016 Infiniti Q50 sports sedan, which will be in Infiniti showrooms in North America beginning in late winter.

kenchan 12-16-2015 12:56 PM

so this thing glows at night..? :ugh:

carlitos_370z 12-16-2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3369394)
so this thing glows at night..? :ugh:

:icon18::icon18:

BTW thanks for the update falcon :tup:

falconfixer 12-16-2015 03:15 PM

Haven't been on here in awhile but came across that article and figured pass the info along. Don't know if it's a repost but I'd be willing to bet that's the next Z car engine.

kenchan 12-16-2015 03:22 PM

i think so too. i saw the first article last night from b15's post.

DCNISMO 12-16-2015 05:29 PM

I'm leery of Nikalsi lined cylinder bores. They easily get scored and ruined. Go to the Audi boards and Porsche boards to see about it. No thanks.

Rusty 12-16-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO (Post 3369626)
I'm leery of Nikalsi lined cylinder bores. They easily get scored and ruined. Go to the Audi boards and Porsche boards to see about it. No thanks.

Honda, Yammie, Zuki, Kawa, all use Nikalsi lined cylinders on most of their bike engines. The problem is that you can't bore it larger. You have to bore and sleeve it. The coating is only a couple thousands thick.

DCNISMO 12-16-2015 06:52 PM

For some reason on cars, the bore gets scored. The Audi 4.2 motor is really bad and it's also happening on the 996 and 997 911 Porsches. I'll take an aluminum block with steel or iron cylinders and no direct injection either. Just leads to problems right around the time the warranty experises.

falconfixer 12-16-2015 07:53 PM

Seems to be working out well for their 3.8 liter, no?

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UNKNOWN_370 12-16-2015 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO (Post 3369668)
For some reason on cars, the bore gets scored. The Audi 4.2 motor is really bad and it's also happening on the 996 and 997 911 Porsches. I'll take an aluminum block with steel or iron cylinders and no direct injection either. Just leads to problems right around the time the warranty experises.

I've tried to find issues with this coating online.... I couldn't find anything concerning unreliability on a broad spectrum. In fact, it seems to be the preferred coating for racing engines.
Since our engines are NISSANIZED Mercedes engines. I looked up the Mercedes engine reliability on there turbo built engines. It seems Mercedes is a leader in turbocharged reliability...

I'm totally confident in this new VR. The one thing Nissan and Mercedes have both had in common are bullet proof engines. If Porsche was the partner? Maybe I'd have concern?

Porsche~Audi~Volkswagen are there own group and will share their own issues.

SS_Firehawk 12-16-2015 09:10 PM

Only the turbo 4 is a Benz engine. This isn't. It's been mentioned in more than a few articles. I would bet on Nissan doing a Turbo 6 right. I would bet they can do it better than 90% of manufacturers.

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 3369781)
Only the turbo 4 is a Benz engine. This isn't. It's been mentioned in more than a few articles. I would bet on Nissan doing a Turbo 6 right. I would bet they can do it better than 90% of manufacturers.

Looks identical to the Benz 3.0 down to the intercoolers. So who is the design team of this engine?

SS_Firehawk 12-17-2015 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3369892)
Looks identical to the Benz 3.0 down to the intercoolers. So who is the design team of this engine?

They look identical huh? Down to the intercoolers?

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The Dimer 12-17-2015 07:59 AM

I've been looking in other places for my next car, but it Nissan throws the 400hp version in the next Z they may just convince me to stick around.

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dimer (Post 3369985)
I've been looking in other places for my next car, but it Nissan throws the 400hp version in the next Z they may just convince me to stick around.

Same here... Been struggling with wasting an extra $40 to 60k n go upmarket or wait for some concrete Z news. This is concrete enough to me... I'm sure it will be in the next car. I'm still happy with my car, but a turbo Z would be great. It'll cut tuning costs down. I'm pretty sure the weight reduction will be significant. Stock it will just be seriously powerful. I'm excited.

Hotrodz 12-17-2015 12:20 PM

The Caddie ATS engine looks the same as well. I believe it's is Merc engine too.

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UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 12:29 PM

Though we know C&D is fairly unreliable... They are saying the 370z engine will be replaced as well. So will we see this engine in our current bodies? Will they rename our cars the 300z before we see a new body style? Or will we just be called the Z? Or will we be seeing the new Z sooner than later?

2016 Infiniti Q50 Official Photos and Info – News – Car and Driver

FPenvy 12-17-2015 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3370210)
Though we know C&D is fairly unreliable... They are saying the 370z engine will be replaced as well. So will we see this engine in our current bodies? Will they rename our cars the 300z before we see a new body style? Or will we just be called the Z? Or will we be seeing the new Z sooner than later?

2016 Infiniti Q50 Official Photos and Info – News – Car and Driver

maybe that's why the old version was named the 300ZX. they knew the 3.0 would come back lol now it can be the 300Z :bowrofl:

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 3369951)
They look identical huh? Down to the intercoolers?


My bad... I musta been looking at 4 banger cut outs n assumed it was the v6 I guess. I keep up with a **** load of cars, if you don't notice who has the most threads up here with the most models covered. My contribution to sports car news is huge... So pardon me for making a mistake. :shakes head:

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370225)
maybe that's why the old version was named the 300ZX. they knew the 3.0 would come back lol now it can be the 300Z :bowrofl:

It sounds awesome and would look nice plaqued out on the back of the car... I'm excited!!! FINALLY!

I hope design language is very 240esque.

Where does this new VR30 Redline? Anyone?

90 ST 12-17-2015 01:24 PM

They may use the 300hp and 400hp for the Infinity, and do a 380ish hp version in the Z and the Nismo would get the 400hp. I'm sure they can easily tune out 20 hp for the regular Z engine, just to give the Nismo an advantage in power still.

Firebase99 12-17-2015 01:30 PM

I feel like should be more excited....am i the only one whos skirt isnt getting blown up?

SS_Firehawk 12-17-2015 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3370227)
My bad... I musta been looking at 4 banger cut outs n assumed it was the v6 I guess. I keep up with a **** load of cars, if you don't notice who has the most threads up here with the most models covered. My contribution to sports car news is huge... So pardon me for making a mistake. :shakes head:

Pardoned ;)
I keep up with quite a few as well and do see you bouncing around a lot of threads. I have a bit of pride knowing that this nice new engine is Nissan through and through.

Rooster89 12-17-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3370210)
Though we know C&D is fairly unreliable... They are saying the 370z engine will be replaced as well. So will we see this engine in our current bodies? Will they rename our cars the 300z before we see a new body style? Or will we just be called the Z? Or will we be seeing the new Z sooner than later?

2016 Infiniti Q50 Official Photos and Info – News – Car and Driver

They should just give the people what they want and rename it to Fairlady Z.

FPenvy 12-17-2015 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3370229)
Where does this new VR30 Redline? Anyone?

7K maybe?

kenchan 12-17-2015 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster89 (Post 3370310)
They should just give the people what they want and rename it to Fairlady Z.

im not sure i want dat name in the US.

fairlady sounds good in japanese pronunciation as it sounds special like 'ferrari' but fair lady? really?
mr.k was right on dumping dat name for the us market.

JARblue 12-17-2015 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster89 (Post 3370310)
They should just give the people what they want and rename it to Fairlady Z.

Woah ... Rooster sighting! Hope things are well, man :hello:

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370328)
7K maybe?

Hoping we can rev out n scream 7500rpm or more???

FPenvy 12-17-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3370425)
Hoping we can rev out n scream 7500rpm or more???

i mean always a hope. i'm just thinking of the GT-R and i think it's power maxs out at 6500? or so.

also the wiki page (probably wrong) has it approx. at 405 PS (298 kW) at 6,400 rpm (High Output) and 475 N·m (350 lbf·ft) from 1,600–5,200 rpm (High output).

jwick 12-17-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370328)
7K maybe?


Max power was at 6300 so unless the stock turbos are a limiting factor I would expect power to peak close to redline. I say 6,500, 7,000 max.

FPenvy 12-17-2015 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3370437)
Max power was at 6300 so unless the stock turbos are a limiting factor I would expect power to peak close to redline. I say 6,500, 7,000 max.

yea i was reading how the turbos will spin at 225k and max at around 245k? i think those were the numbers. fast little guys lol

jwick 12-17-2015 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370440)
yea i was reading how the turbos will spin at 225k and max at around 245k? i think those were the numbers. fast little guys lol


Yup. Makes me think they aren't very big. Which could be nice cuz the power band will always be almost instant.

FPenvy 12-17-2015 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3370442)
Yup. Makes me think they aren't very big. Which could be nice cuz the power band will always be almost instant.


Agreed. Also I'm impressive with the torque being all 350 there at 1600rpm all the way to 5300rpm that's not bad if the hp peaks at 6400 and let's say feline at 7k

Now it just depends on how much it falls off.

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 08:37 PM

Well, I've been contemplating cars for a year. I've thought about the pros and cons of going 6 figures. Have read insurmountable reviews of cars etc... I feel the car that fits my personality and my preferred driving dynamics most is the MB AMG GTS... But configuring the car to my taste reached a whopping $159,600 before ttl. I can't go that high. I believe the Z in my mental theory would be the next best car... If the Z disappoints somehow? I've come to the conclusion that there's only one logical replacement. The best compromise between price, performance & style would be the Jaguar F Type... My only gripe is the electric steering in 2016 and it can go on a 200lb diet for the price.
I know the corvette would be faster, but I believe between the two, the jag probably had the better steering feel and the best quality for the money. I am not concerned with being the fastest guy on the block. And I think Jag n aftermarket KW may actually make a great team coupled with the optional carbon ceramics to reduce unsprung weight.

The test drives will tell the truth but. This is my theory from extensive research and reviews. I'm enamoured with the Camaro, but feel 188" for my driving style is too much mass.

Hoping the Z is everything I hope it to be so I can save a ton. I really want my next car to feel really special.

UNKNOWN_370 12-17-2015 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3370498)
Agreed. Also I'm impressive with the torque being all 350 there at 1600rpm all the way to 5300rpm that's not bad if the hp peaks at 6400 and let's say feline at 7k

Now it just depends on how much it falls off.

:iagree:

falconfixer 12-17-2015 08:40 PM

Thought I read somewhere else red line 7500 but could be wrong.

SwissCheese 12-17-2015 08:49 PM

I'm just worried about what the final price would be for a 400hp Z.

Rooster89 12-18-2015 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3370376)
Woah ... Rooster sighting! Hope things are well, man :hello:

Things are going decent. Its weird to be back. Acura got totaled so I am picking up a G this week or next week.

UNKNOWN_370 12-18-2015 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by falconfixer (Post 3370611)
Thought I read somewhere else red line 7500 but could be wrong.

That would be soo insane... Not a lot of high revving turbos out there. With the right exhaust note... This car will be most desirable

Kzonts 12-18-2015 05:01 AM

I'm hoping the new "Z" will be released and proven in a couple/3 years, then I'll be ready to slip into one. :-)

But I think I'll go automatic with the next one...


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