Shhh... Adults are trying to talk about cars. :hello:

Exactly! :tup:

You wouldn't be looking to replace a 2-seat coupe with this, unless your life situation was changing dramatically.

Lots of people have something as a "3rd car" whether it's a Miata or a Corvette or a Z or whatever, it's probably less than practical and is only used as a "toy." This is NOT that kind of car.

This is another "Swiss Army knife" type of car. Even if you don't like it, any success might bring more competition to that market, and that's a good thing, if you're in the market for something like this.

I actually would be kind of interested in one as a daily driver with a set of snows for winter duty. I wouldn't replace my Z with it, unless I wanted to replace my Z with nothing, because this just isn't that same kind of car.

Oh ok I thought you were talking about worthy cars worth 40k..got it:rolleyes:

Here's a thought... If you don't like the topic, why don't you just unsubscribe from the thread... :ugh2:

Ya it was cool in 2009 replacing a cheap feel 350z, the sad part was it still wasn't that much better or the same quality as an s2000 for most to sell theirs and get a z because Of the price.guys who really ally wanted a Porsche surely weren't cross shopping Nissans z. Also we're approaching 2017 prototypes and concepts to be released and like I said Nissan is Getting left in the dust, the hot hatch segment is something even Honda is jumping in on.. Nissan they have no clue what they're doing for enthusiasts. They're also the worst consumer customer satfisfaction out of all Japanese brands. Leaders in recalls And that used to be ford! Which is the funny part.
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When did this become a Ford vs Nissan thread? Or an econo crapbox vs a 2 door sports cars thread? Not necessarily directed at you Zbo just quoted you as a reference.

It's really simple to narrow down the demographic of focus svtrs buyers. 20 somethings that can't afford multiple platforms. Like somebody mentioned this car is kind of a multi tool. A dedicated track car it is not. If you've spent a decent amount of time at the track you'd see the hardcore junkies are driving stripped down, gutted cars with massive aero kits. Nobody brings a fully loaded, carpeted, tech packaged 5 door hatch back and expects to be even remotely competitive in circuit/series racing.

As far as catering to enthusiasts, who in the hell is a focus enthusiast lol. Nobody, that's who. The car is based on an economy crap box. Who cares what they charge for it. The Z has enthusiasts, the same goes for mustang, camaro, challenger etc. Also, they all share one thing in common. They are one of their kind. What I mean by that is there are no economy versions of the car at significantly lower price point/performance. Yes they offer smaller engines or option packages. But a Z is a Z and vette is a vette. There are no other versions of the car. Can any of these focus aficionados honestly claim the ford focus, in ANY iteration, has an enthusiast following (without sounding like they were dropped as babies).

Is the Z perfect, obviously not and none of the cars mentioned in this thread are perfect either. But the people buying it, for the most part and especially around here, are enthusiasts. We bought the Z for more than just the car itself. Words like lineage, heritage and predecessors come to mind. The focus simply can't make that claim. Furthermore, it is not going to draw potential buyers of true sports cars to it's camp. No cayman, Z, stang, vette etc buyer is going to look at the focus and think "wow screw 2 door sports cars and everything that comes with them, let me sign on the dotted line for that gussied up generic economy class car. I'm sure to get looks in that". Nor is any track junkie going to spend 42k on it and the beat the living hell out of it like track guys do.

I can't believe you quoted everything I just said and posted this? :facepalm:

I swear you are Jungle Z....:wtf2:

Well... The guy who said that (me) also said that he thought it would make a great daily driver while the Z sleeps in the garage.

Your daily driver doesn't have to be a boring Accord or whatever, is all I'm saying.

The Focus RS isn't a competitor to the Z. The Z doesn't have enough cupholders, can't carry as much luggage, there's no room for a baby seat and your dog, etc. This is a silly comparison, which I know you know. :)

My lovely Z is slightly more practical than a motorcycle, which I can put Blizzaks on for the winter. I love it, but I can also appreciate people that get Fords or Subarus. I fact if I were a practical person, I would probably go for the Focus RS, but I have fallen in love with the Z. After putting HREs and a Fast Intentions exhaust on her there is no turning back. I am not really sold on Nissan, but like I have said, the Z has made me a fanboy.

With that being said, I like the Focus RS :tup:

Are you trying to Focus? Bofus?
FORD=F'd Over Rebuilt Dodge!
This is a ~Z~ Thing!!!

Official 2016 Ford Focus RS Pricing, Performance Estimates Released!

The focus will actually start at about $35,700, reported by FLD and when you add seat it will be about $36,600. Reported by C&D.
If in real life it can be had for $40K even loaded. It will be a good buy. It has Mustang GT performance numbers.
I'd rather buy a CLA or GLA AMG. But it's not a bad car now that I see all the features. Considering a CLA has a DCT and starts at $48,000 the dct alone justifies $for $12,000 of the price tag. I'd have to say my quality is worth saving the extra coin and going Benz... But I am not gonna knock the focus. Not bad...

There is absolutely merit in wanting to go that extra 10-20% in price for something that will feel like a complete performance car with all the refinements of a luxury car like the CLA AMG. I can attest to all the little things that add up in my Q50S coming from my Z as far as all of the interior amenities and creature comforts as well as the sporty handling that is also very refined over crappy roads. I can't imagine how much I would love my Q50 if it matched the CLA AMG's performance.

However, there are people that don't care about those things, and the Focus RS will be a fantastic car for them. I have realized after having my Q50 for a couple months that luxury sport really is my jam. I never thought I was that guy until I spent some time to experience it for myself (and could actually afford it unlike previous car buying opportunities).

While I couldn't justify spending that much on a performance Ford Focus, I'll bet many focus and focus ST enthusiasts will justify this upgrade. I equate this as Ford's version of the STI.

I'd say that's pretty accurate, and they are probably trying to steal customers away from each other.

Focus = Impreza
Focus ST = WRX
Focus RS = STI

$36,000 and more fun to drive than the nismo 370z that is sitting at my local dealer for $46,000 for months now what a joke Nissan is now.

Ford is killing it .

When did you drive a Focus RS? :ugh2:

That was going to be my question too.

its a hot hatch , awd + turbo . guaranteed it will be more fun to drive than an outdated overpriced nismo z.

Are you JungleZ?

I have a strict no Ford policy.

:iagree::inoutroflpuke:

So go trade your Z in for the focus rs then:tiphat:

Always turns into pricing battles. :ugh2:

In the hot hatch segment, my top pick would be a VW Golf GTI or R.

No, it is not guaranteed.

It's front-biased AWD with electronic power steering, probably has significant turbo lag, and only has good driving dynamics because of the stability control programming.

If that's your idea of fun driving, maybe get yourself an XBOX instead.

I think he is... Or at least, close enough.

Some of his posts are dead on JungleZ. It's how he phrases things, and the same old anti-Nissan sob story. Which is weird, considering JungleZ would be out of his lease by now and he can go lease himself the mustang he always wanted.

Yep, JungleZ 's mom let him use the computer again.

ZBo is definitely Jungle Z. I've been saying it and he never addressed the question of his identity. Jungle Z it is... Like this guy must get nooooo p*ssy whatsoever and just :postwhore:all day and gets a kick out of :argue:till he :barf: cuz all he does is talk :bs: like a Lil :supergay: and the mods should just:ban: his azz cuz he is not kool at all
:koolaidwall:

He must be off his meds again. I just can't understand the appeal of making new usernames for a forum that ran his retarded *** out just to be the same worthless troll.

That's the sad thing - he's not even a good troll. It seems the only thing he has ever been good at was dodging the coat hanger.

This better be true!!!

Next-gen Mercedes-Benz A-Class reportedly going to the U.S.

Looks like a mazda wagon with a mercedes logo.

https://youtu.be/HhnyQHRoeao

Benz comes in 2nd to Focus RS in Brit comparo. I'd still take the Benz. But good **** Ford!!

This is the original thread about the focus RS

Got some interesting info on the Focus RS through a couple of videos as well as the comment section of youtube video.

About the front suspension:

• Lack of clearance between the front springs and the front towers mean front camber cannot be adjusted with camber plates. It's also quite an exercise to access the front strut towers from the engine bay (need to remove layers of covers).
  
• Engine is completely hanging in front of the front axle
  
  
  

Laps around MSR Cresson:

• Youtube comment on understeer - Car does NOT like left foot braking, something about it disabling the power to rear wheels causing understeer.
  
• Vorshlag's comment on its own FB page - in Texas summer, cooling is an issue. Oil cooler is a must (came stock with a coolant heat exchanger), possibly larger radiator and intercooler (but this goes to many boosted track cars though).
  
• Seems like lap time without traffic would be around 1.26.xx, looks to be around the same lap time as a stock 370z.
  

Don't forget to poll your opinions on page one guys.

rental gave me the regular luxury verion focus last week. i hated it.

I test drove one. The layout was all over the place. Materials were average and the seats were OK.... the regular ones don't hold their value AT ALL. I'd be scared to buy a specd out one new. Let alone at a marked up price.

A45amg or bust if going over $50K.

I am upset the Evo is gone. Mitsubishi are morons.

The wrx is the best in the segment now.

Seriously, at $42k, I prefer the STI just for the mature aftermarket support.

Let alone the stupid markup $60k price tag someone is seeing. For $60k, or a 2013/14 F10 M5, or a C63 AMG, or an RS5, or a few thou more for F80 M3....among many other fine choices.

Wow I got a 5k mark up in 1999 when I got the s2000 but for a POS ford a 30k mark up:inoutroflpuke: I thought 42k was..:rofl2: already

Also why so many threads for this POS? Please continue with this car with this thread.

LMAO :iagree: