The new Alfa Romeo Giulia

Cyber370

And......it has begun. It didn't take long for Alfa Romeo's legendary reliability problems to begin. I'll admit that was quick. Even I thought it would be a little better than previous Alfa offerings. I guess the Chrysler influence sped things up.

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I hate to say I told you so, but................

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ZCanadian

Well, I wouldn't buy lilies and a black suit just yet.

That article seems to stem from one the other day in Road & Track detailing some problems with theirs and listing a number of other reviewers' cars that went down.

In an unprecedented move for Alfa Romeo...
Alfa CEO Responds to R&T

There can be no excuse for giving unprepared cars to journalists, and Alfa had better learn from this before they do the same with Giulia's new cousin, Stelvio. But software glitches in new cars are not unique to Alfa. Don't bury the hardware just because some of the software wasn't patched.

I have it from some respected US tuners that the platform is a solid one. But the early versions of ECU programming could not handle pressing the throttle and brake together - put the car into limp mode every time. That's likely what happened here. No, not all the faults were this. But I'm not going to condemn a model because one sunroof had problems closing, either.

The bigger issue with the Quadrifoglio version is that it eats tires when driven very hard. It's a 3,800+ lb 500+ HP RWD sedan, so that's not exactly a shock. Alfa found this out on the GP track at the Nurburgring when they reportedly ran out of rubber at a press day. I know someone who has 3,000 miles on his and is on his THIRD set of tires. A large percentage of those miles have been on a race track, and he doesn't let up just because he's driving a family saloon. Just ask the 911 Turbo drivers he's passed. Oh, and no idiot lights or issues for him, except that the stability control kicks in way too aggressively for tracking unless you are in RACE mode.

Finally, please note that a number of these agencies placed the Giulia and Giulia Q at the top of their segments despite the foibles they experienced. It might be wishful thinking, or it might be that (when it works) the car is just that good.

We'll see. Time will tell.

UNKNOWN_370

Will be making a deal n putting my order in this weekend.

I'm mad Excited!!!

This is just the beginning. Maybe next year or the year after next I will order a quadrifoglio. I'm just Leary of owning an actual Ferrari engine. But I'm almost there. Baby steps. I'll start with this incredible 4 cylinder GLOBAL engine.

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DLSTR

Have you at all considered slightly used?? in the USA - https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7374/overview/

UNKNOWN_370

It looks like the as was gone. I've had a hard time finding new or used to my exact options.

If I get everything I want on the interior? It's missing the active suspension. If I get the active suspension, either the exterior color or interior is off. The deal offered to me was $47,000OTD on a cash deal. That's almost $5,000 under price.

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DLSTR

900miles 43k$ so offer 40!!- https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0437/overview/

UNKNOWN_370

Which quadrifoglio would you get? Sedan or coupe?

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/alfa-r...-ar177190.html

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ZCanadian

The one that exists. The 2-door is just a design study by some arts student. There's a station wagon out there in the ether, also!

I agree with the article, that a coupe is a requirement to cement the brand's position. But just becuase it "makes sense", do not take it as a given that an Italian car maker will actually produce it! ;-)

Me, I'd probably go for the coupe if they were both out, and I had the cash. Neither condition is met right now, though.

UNKNOWN_370

I think I'd do the sedan in AWD Ti and then get a Quadrifoglio coupe!! Lol. They are that GOOD.

Well doing research on my future vehicle I came across this tidbit of info about using polymer in the turbo of the Alfa, due to power output on a small engine making them run hotter.

https://www.basf.com/us/en/company/n...US-17-049.html

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ZCanadian

Interesting stuff. Though 220C does not sound particularly hot for a turbocharger. I guess it depends where within the assembly you're looking. In the 4C turbo, exhaust gas inlet temps push 1000C (stock is something like 980C). How that translates to charged air temperature, I don't know.

UNKNOWN_370

I'm guessing the location of that part doesn't heat up as much as the exhaust inlet. 220°C in US, is 425°F. That does seem cool.

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UNKNOWN_370

I will be asking you this question again soon. Lol.

https://carbuzz.com/news/alfa-romeo-...he-ferrari-488

Looks like this car will be announced next month. If offered with the standard quadrifoglio engine? I may jump ship? Seems so far the quad is doing well. Not too many problems. But the magic number is 4 years with foreign cars. Every time I see a Giulia, I regret getting cold feet. The best saloon I've ever driven. Awesome car!!

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Rusty

Seen a Giulia in red the other day. It's a color to die for. It just pops at you.

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FPenvy

theres been a lot popping up by me. plus the Alfa dealer is right down from where i work.

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ZCanadian

Re-reading it again the article talks about 220 operating temps on the cold air intake side, and another product on the hot side for which they do not quote a temperature. That number seems to be the Holy Grail for tuners to work with, and often not so easy to figure out what maximum temperatures at the turbo can be.