Bikers Attack Driver After Accident: Caught on Tape

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Exactly. And legally, he shouldn't have been there anyway since he didn't have a license.

Driving without a license is insufficient to characterize someone as being at fault.

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

It goes way beyond association. It was active participation in reckless behaviors that endangered others. Apparently you haven't seen the videos from earlier in the day when the riders were doing wheelies in heavy traffic and veering over into oncoming traffic. I'm assuming (not a legal opinion) they didn't stop when they got near the RR. When you do dangerous ****, you sometimes get hurt. Ie, if you fuque with the bull, you get the horn.

I've seen some. I haven't seen anything where the rider in question was engaged (though I'd appreciate a link). And, such behaviors are not relevant to the case in question. Whether or not someone drives like a jerk is largely irrelevant to the facts of the situation. There's also the question of the driver's a priori knowledge.

Unless they went out that day planning to treat annoying drivers like that, you would have a tough time sticking him with the behaviors of the group.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Unless they went out that day planning to treat annoying drivers like that, you would have a tough time sticking him with the behaviors of the group.

There's a precedent for them ******* with cars that bother them. I posted it earlier in the thread. That may not show their intent, but it establishes a pattern of behavior.

I'm a little confused- are you arguing that the bikers aren't at fault for the escalation of the situation that ended in injuries, or are you just playing devil's advocate?

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

There's a precedent for them ******* with cars that bother them. I posted it earlier in the thread. That may not show their intent, but it establishes a pattern of behavior.

I'm a little confused- are you arguing that the bikers aren't at fault for the escalation of the situation that ended in injuries, or are you just playing devil's advocate?

Both sides are clearly at fault for various stages. I'm pointing out that a number of conclusions are being jumped to that are not supported by the evidence available, and the behavior of folks in a group cannot be used to characterize the whole.

jcosta79 · 10-02-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Unless they went out that day planning to treat annoying drivers like that, you would have a tough time sticking him with the behaviors of the group.

Here's your proof that they did just that: LiveLeak.com - More footage previous to Range Rover incident

Anyone who has any sympathy for the bikers is an idiot.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

Here's your proof that they did just that: LiveLeak.com - More footage previous to Range Rover incident

Anyone who has any sympathy for the bikers is an idiot.

Those videos are a far cry from evidence of conspiracy to commit anything

jcosta79 · 10-02-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Those videos are a far cry from evidence of conspiracy to commit anything

They are evidence of a group of individuals breaking multiple laws and riding in a way that endangers the lives of others. Why do you think the guy deleted them off his Facebook page?

Are you seriously sticking up for these idiots?

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

They are evidence of a group of individuals breaking multiple laws and riding in a way that endangers the lives of others. Why do you think the guy deleted them off his Facebook page?

Are you seriously sticking up for these idiots?

Nope, just getting a slow and painful reminder about how clueless most people are about how our legal system operates.

Just because I think that all bikers like this should be sent out of the country, doesn't mean they don't have legal rights.

jcosta79 · 10-02-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Nope, just getting a slow and painful reminder about how clueless most people are about how our legal system operates.

The side with the most money usually wins. Seeing as how the driver of the Range Rover drives a Range Rover, I'm thinking he's going to come out of this okay.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

The side with the most money usually wins. Seeing as how the driver of the Range Rover drives a Range Rover, I'm thinking he's going to come out of this okay.

It's amazing what lawyers will do to make a name for themselves, especially when the target is wealthy.

The civil suit against the RR driver has the potential to turn out some big $$$ for anyone who's willing to represent the guy.

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