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Cbtech 10-02-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Zed
Surely you are trolling. I live in the United States of America, where exactly ZERO of the 50 states determine fault based on licensure. Most states assign fault based on who is at fault, with a couple refusing to assign any fault at all. A simple google search would have made this fact clear to you.

Nope not trolling, im here all the time and post quit frequently with pertinent and (sometimes) substantial content just depends on how I feel :hello:.

If you do not have a license to drive a vehicle in any state within the union you are at fault if you are driving a vehicle on a public road or highway. You can plead No Contest to any of the charges so as to not claim fault for damage injury or death, but, as im sure you're aware, you are still considered guilty. I showed you examples of unlicensed drivers being "at fault" due to their mistakes or inability to contain their stupidity. How about you do the google search and prove me wrong in another way other than arrogance.

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Originally Posted by Red_Zed

You said:
"Had he had a license he most likely would have cited for unsafe lane change"

Article says nothing of the sort. Charges are in-line with behavior.

since we are going to nit pick...

my comment states "most likely" which implies a probability of charges not an absolute. So you're saying if you accidentally kill someone by switching lanes or accidently turning in front of someone that you should be charged with manslaughter if you are a license and insured driver? you live in a messed up town man...


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Originally Posted by Red_Zed
Article says nothing of the sort. Charges are in-line with behavior. Your misspelling of "reckless" is a nice touch.

you got me there...sorry all thumbs on my cell phone

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Originally Posted by Red_Zed
Article says nothing of the sort. Charges are in-line with behavior, especially since most of them are related to failure to appear

hmmm

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Isabel Balderas, a 25-year-old Hart resident charged with a potential 15-year felony for a fatal March 2012 rollover accident on U.S. 31 near the Muskegon River flats, has had her bond forfeited after she repeatedly failed to appear for court dates.
Charges are in-line with the the behavior?? Really? well shit no one better roll their car in Michigan or you may be charged with a potential 15-year felony! :eek: that seems kind of excessive if i'm a licensed driver and I make a mistake by over correcting and forbid someone was to die due to the rollover.


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Originally Posted by Red_Zed
You also seem very confused about the chain of events. The biker that was rear-ended appears to have had his license suspended following the event, which would indicate he had a license during.

My bad you're right it was the dude that was a speed bump that ended up in the hospital that didn't have a license. At least he will have Obamacare to cover his medical costs in March.

Chuck33079 10-02-2013 08:49 PM

Andre-

Bikers terrorize family in high-speed chase | New York Post

I'll post this again in the hopes you'll read it.

andre12031948 10-02-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2513973)
You do realize that he ran over the bikes to escape when his safety and the safety of his family was threatened, don't you? Have you read a single article that's been linked here with a timeline of events? You're so far off what actually happened you might as well be discussing a different event.

I heard & saw nothing on tv that said they threatened him & his family. I'm watching tv now and they just said he/driver panicked.

Chuck33079 10-02-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2513984)
I heard & saw nothing on tv that said they threatened him & his family. I'm watching tv now and they just said he/driver panicked.

If that were the case, don't you think the driver would have been charged with something instead of the bikers?

Red__Zed 10-02-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cbtech (Post 2513979)
Nope not trolling, im here all the time and post quit frequently with pertinent and (sometimes) substantial content just depends on how I feel :hello:.

If you do not have a license to drive a vehicle in any state within the union you are at fault if you are driving a vehicle on a public road or highway.
You can plead No Contest to any of the charges so as to not claim fault for damage injury or death, but, as im sure you're aware, you are still considered guilty. I showed you examples of unlicensed drivers being "at fault" due to their mistakes or inability to contain their stupidity. How about you do the google search and prove me wrong in another way other than arrogance.


Already posted for you:

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2513881)
Here's an easily digestible link for you on the topic:
I was in a minor car accident with an unlicensed but insured driver in NYS. Is that party at fault? - Avvo.com

I'm out for a bit traveling, will catch up on this thread next week.

I would love to see a source for the bolded claim.


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since we are going to nit pick...

my comment states "most likely" which implies a probability of charges not an absolute. So you're saying if you accidentally kill someone by switching lanes or accidently turning in front of someone that you should be charged with manslaughter if you are a license and insured driver? you live in a messed up town man...
Any time someone dies as a result of your potentially negligent actions, you are at risk for manslaughter charges. This includes speeding, texting, etc.


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you got me there...sorry all thumbs on my cell phone

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hmmm



Charges are in-line with the the behavior?? Really? well shit no one better roll their car in Michigan or you may be charged with a potential 15-year felony! :eek: that seems kind of excessive if i'm a licensed driver and I make a mistake by over correcting and forbid someone was to die due to the rollover.

Yep, if you flip your car you can get charged with all sorts of things. It has nothing to do with whether you have a license. If you don't, they'll tack it onto the list and maybe be more aggressive in prosecution, but there's no other change to legal standing.


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My bad you're right it was the dude that was a speed bump that ended up in the hospital that didn't have a license. At least he will have Obamacare to cover his medical costs in March.
No political discussions....

Cbtech 10-02-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2513969)
The normal thing to do is ask what's going on. Be real & honest, it's not normal to try & run over a bunch of bikes & people. NOT normal to kill people if they knock on your door, or whatever they did. Whatever they did, not what the SUV driver thought they wanted to do.

Were the riders wearing hoodies???


not hoodies...helmets and im sure they were just politely tapping on his window asking for his insurance. The 30 year old wealthy executive was probably throwing gang signs and spitting...

you sound like Chevy chase when he is asking for directions.

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not a good thing either :shakes head:

andre12031948 10-02-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2513985)
If that were the case, don't you think the driver would have been charged with something instead of the bikers?

They are still looking it over. The driver can be charged soon. Let's wait & see. The riders were/are big A-holes but they didn't deserve the death sentence.

Chuck33079 10-02-2013 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2513995)
They are still looking it over. The driver can be charged soon. Let's wait & see. The riders were/are big A-holes but they didn't deserve the death sentence.

Ok, I give.

Red__Zed 10-02-2013 09:09 PM

CB here are more comments from lawyers. I'm interested to see a source for your claim that all 50 states automatically fault unlicensed drivers.



Car Accidents Can't Be Blamed on Driving Without a Valid License | Arizona Injury Lawyers

Car Accident, Unlicensed Driver in an Insured Car (Not at Fault)

Accidents with Unlicensed Drivers | Raleigh Legal Examiner | Raleigh North Carolina Personal Injury Lawyer

Unlicensed Driver, Car Accident, Not at Fault

KN21283 10-02-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2513995)
They are still looking it over. The driver can be charged soon. Let's wait & see. The riders were/are big A-holes but they didn't deserve the death sentence.

Wow...... If you threaten my family in anyway that they fear for their lives I would put you in the ground

Red__Zed 10-02-2013 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KN21283 (Post 2514005)
Wow...... If you threaten my family in anyway that they fear for they're lives I would put you in the ground

Time to move to a free state then.

andre12031948 10-02-2013 09:20 PM

Now it's getting late:tiphat:

KN21283 10-02-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2514009)
Time to move to a free state then.

I'm not saying the driver had the right to run over the rider. If I needed to do so and save my family that's what would happen. At that point If I get charged and convicted of man slaughter is fine. I'm not trying to say who's right or wrong nor to be politically correct.

Red__Zed 10-02-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KN21283 (Post 2514048)
I'm not saying the driver had the right to run over the rider. If I needed to do so and save my family that's what would happen. At that point If I get charged and convicted of man slaughter is fine. I'm not trying to say who's right or wrong nor to be politically correct.

I can sympathize with that and would likely break some laws if needed to protect family.

That said, I'd much rather live someplace where I don't have to break any laws. I hear prison food is awful and I could never by with a roommate:icon17:

jcosta79 10-03-2013 07:24 AM

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Cmike2780 10-03-2013 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2513995)
They are still looking it over. The driver can be charged soon. Let's wait & see. The riders were/are big A-holes but they didn't deserve the death sentence.

...but you think the RR driver did deserve the "death sentence"? That's what could have easily happened. If what he claims is true and he saw a guy with a knife slashing his tires and people smashing his windows, don't you think it was reasonable to take action. As we've seen, all hell can break loose in seconds. Maybe you ride a bike and sympathize, but I really don't follow your logic here. Look, I get it, no one should be allowed to kill someone because they don't like them. This wasn't about that. I seriously doubt RR guy's plan that Sunday was to hunt down bikers and run them over. I also think you're a bit naïve. Road rage guys are not polite. The bikers didn't stop the RR because they wanted to give the guy a hug and settle it. So much talk about how the RR could have avoided it, but the bikers had plenty more opportunities to avoid it too. Someone rational in the group could stepped up and cooled things down.


On another note, they found the guy that filmed the video.

Chuck33079 10-03-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2514402)
...but you think the RR driver did deserve the "death sentence"? That's what could have easily happened. If what he claims is true and he saw a guy with a knife slashing his tires and people smashing his windows, don't you think it was reasonable to take action. As we've seen, all hell can break loose in seconds. Maybe you ride a bike and sympathize, but I really don't follow your logic here. Look, I get it, no one should be allowed to kill someone because they don't like them. This wasn't about that. I seriously doubt RR guy's plan that Sunday was to hunt down bikers and run them over. I also think you're a bit naïve. Road rage guys are not polite. The bikers didn't stop the RR because they wanted to give the guy a hug and settle it. So much talk about how the RR could have avoided it, but the bikers had plenty more opportunities to avoid it too. Someone rational in the group could stepped up and cooled things down.


On another note, they found the guy that filmed the video.

I don't think it's worth trying to get Andre to understand. He's either deliberately obtuse or trolling.

andre12031948 10-03-2013 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2514402)
...but you think the RR driver did deserve the "death sentence"? That's what could have easily happened. If what he claims is true and he saw a guy with a knife slashing his tires and people smashing his windows, don't you think it was reasonable to take action. As we've seen, all hell can break loose in seconds. Maybe you ride a bike and sympathize, but I really don't follow your logic here. Look, I get it, no one should be allowed to kill someone because they don't like them. This wasn't about that. I seriously doubt RR guy's plan that Sunday was to hunt down bikers and run them over. I also think you're a bit naïve. Road rage guys are not polite. The bikers didn't stop the RR because they wanted to give the guy a hug and settle it. So much talk about how the RR could have avoided it, but the bikers had plenty more opportunities to avoid it too. Someone rational in the group could stepped up and cooled things down.


On another note, they found the guy that filmed the video.

This happened in N.Y.C. When you stop traffic on a road or highway there, you'd be stopping many, many vehicles. How & why did the RR end up in the front all alone? The only one that bumped the bikes then drove over them.

All the other vehicles weren't even in the videos. He should have stayed with the rest of the traffic & let those biker jerks do their thing. Nothing would have happened except for the cops looking for the bikers that pulled that stunt.

andre12031948 10-03-2013 08:45 AM

The RR driver was only beat up(bruised) after he tried to run over ALL the standing bikes in front of him, who had their backs to the RR.

KN21283 10-03-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2514418)
This happened in N.Y.C. When you stop traffic on a road or highway there, you'd be stopping many, many vehicles. How & why did the RR end up in the front all alone? The only one that bumped the bikes then drove over them.

All the other vehicles weren't even in the videos. He should have stayed with the rest of the traffic & let those biker jerks do their thing. Nothing would have happened except for the cops looking for the bikers that pulled that stunt.

There was a white van which made it through all the bikers.

Cmike2780 10-03-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2514425)
The RR driver was only beat up(bruised) after he tried to run over ALL the standing bikes in front of him, who had their backs to the RR.

They had no reason to block his path in the first place. If we used your logic, the guys on bikes could have pulled him out of the car and beat him. Only then can he get back in the car and run them over?

...and he wasn't just bruised. Guys ganged up on him and kicked his head while he's on the ground. Someone knifed his face. Being discharged from the hospital doesn't equate to "no injuries." It just means that the injuries are non life threatening and he can receive care as an outpatient.

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2514418)
This happened in N.Y.C. When you stop traffic on a road or highway there, you'd be stopping many, many vehicles. How & why did the RR end up in the front all alone? The only one that bumped the bikes then drove over them.

All the other vehicles weren't even in the videos. He should have stayed with the rest of the traffic & let those biker jerks do their thing. Nothing would have happened except for the cops looking for the bikers that pulled that stunt.

Why would the traffic in front of them stop? That's why you don't see cars in front.....

....You know what...it's really pointless to explain this to you. You won't understand. Have a good day :tiphat:

SouthArk370Z 10-03-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2514403)
I don't think it's worth trying to get Andre to understand. He's either deliberately obtuse or trolling.

I'm going with "clueless" :eek:

Chuck33079 10-03-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2514436)
I'm going with "clueless" :eek:

That's another option. I just have no idea how you can look at all of the news on this and come to the conclusions he did. Looking at some of his posts here (since edited) and in other threads, something just ain't right with this guy.

andre12031948 10-03-2013 09:11 AM

love the press
 
"bikers beat driver" How about "driver runs over bikers" Nobody would have even looked at his car if he stayed with the rest of the traffic. He was chased & pulled out of his car ONLY AFTER he ran the bikers over. Looked like he tried to hit & run.

jcosta79 10-03-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2514442)
I just have no idea how you can look at all of the news on this and come to the conclusions he did. Looking at some of his posts here (since edited) and in other threads, something just ain't right with this guy.

Drugs. There's a reason why they are illegal.

KN21283 10-03-2013 09:14 AM

:gtfo2:

Chuck33079 10-03-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2514474)
Drugs. There's a reason why they are illegal.

Because the for-profit prison industry has deep pockets and gives generously to reelection campaigns? ;)

SouthArk370Z 10-03-2013 09:17 AM

Well, until more facts turn up, I think this horse is dead. I've enjoyed the discourse but it's time for me to move on. I'm still subbed as this looks like it has the potential to become a comedy classic. :)

BTW, I'm still pleasantly surprised at how this discussion has gone. Just enough snark to keep it interesting but not much sniping. :tiphat:

andre12031948 10-03-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2514483)
Well, until more facts turn up, I think this horse is dead. I've enjoyed the discourse but it's time for me to move on. I'm still subbed as this looks like it has the potential to become a comedy classic. :)

BTW, I'm still pleasantly surprised at how this discussion has gone. Just enough snark to keep it interesting but not much sniping. :tiphat:

sounds good

Let the cops investigate.

jcosta79 10-03-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2514479)
Because the for-profit prison industry has deep pockets and gives generously to reelection campaigns? ;)

You want more people like Andre running around your neighborhood?

andre12031948 10-03-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2514502)
You want more people like Andre running around your neighborhood?

Except for an occasional bear attack, my street is very safe:)

jcosta79 10-03-2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2514517)
Except for an occasional bear attack, my street is very safe:)

That's because everyone is hiding from YOU.

andre12031948 10-03-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2514541)
That's because everyone is hiding from YOU.

You might have a point. I'm the only one that doesn't have, OR SEEM TO NEED "no trespassing signs " :)

Cmike2780 10-03-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2514541)
That's because everyone is hiding from YOU.

He wouldn't agree with the bear's stomach...

jcosta79 10-04-2013 08:12 AM

New insight into the leader of the Hollywood Stuntz gang:

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The organizer of the wild motorbike rally that terrorized a West Side family runs a website taunting the NYPD — from the safety of his mommy’s home in Queens, The Post has learned.

Jamie Lao, 29, has been orchestrating the annual group “crotch rocket” rides through city streets since at least 2007 through his now-suspended websites, HollywoodStuntz.net and Blockstarzent.net, which are registered to his parents’ Ozone Park home.

This year’s motorcycle rager led to the beatdown of Alexian Lien in front of his horrified wife and toddler.

Leo bragged just before a 2010 event that he had “no worries from the NYPD” and has posted scores of YouTube videos showing hundreds of bikers tearing down city streets en masse, popping wheelies and revving their engines as they go, with nary a cop in sight.

Lao’s Twitter account, @hollywoodstuntz, features a picture of a rider on a blue Yamaha, its front wheel raised defiantly to the sky with an NYPD squad car in the background.

A neighbor said it is Lao in the photo.

“It’s not his fault,” Lao’s dad, Juan, said of Sunday’s violence, defending his son, who scampered through a back entrance of the home Thursday and hid in the house to avoid a reporter.

Apparently more comfortable behind a computer screen, Lao hit Facebook, Twitter and forums like bikenightusa.com, stuntlife.com and stuntride.com, urging bikers across the country to attend his annual “Hollywood’s Block Party” and “tear up the streets.”

Asked if his son was involved in the incident, Juan Lao said Jamie didn’t attend, adding “you’re just wasting your time.”

But several neighbors said the rally started at the Lao’s two-family house on 103rd Avenue.

“There was about 300-400 bikes,” said one neighbor who asked not to be named. “It’s disturbing to see 300 bikes, the neighbors were terrified. All the smoke went into the houses. Everybody was traumatized.”

Another said bikers congregated at the Lao’s “all day long.”

“They were very noisey and they were on top of the cars and everywhere. It was terrible.”

“Oh my god I hate them. For the past 4-5 years he’s been an absolute nuisance. They are annoying as hell,” said neighbor Jennifer Rodriguez, 36. She claims Lao and his biker buddies have terrorized her family.

“It’s been a nightmare. My mom is handicapped and my dad has a heart condition,” she said. “They [bikers] will go up to her and like play chicken, trying to scare her.”

“Sunday the whole street was covered,” Rodriguez said. “They cover all the sidewalks. People with kids and with dogs, they go right up to them like they are trying to scare them. You can’t say anything or else they will start a fight. I had to go out on Sunday and I had to wait 20 minutes until they left.”

“They scratch cars, they bump into them, they have no regard.”

Retired firefighter Distinio Lois, 77, defended Lao.

“He’s a good kid. He’s a motorcycle enthusiast. I have known the family for years, they are good, hard working people,” Distinio said. “You can’t help if there is a bad apple in the group. If a friend did what they did, he’s not responsible. You can’t turn around the blame if he’s the head [of the rally.]“

“They never bother anybody,” he said of the bikers that come to the house every year. “They are respectful, they don’t leave anything behind. It’s just a social gathering until they go away.”

On his website, Lao brags that he is “on his way to stardom” and calls his events an opportunity to “show off the most insane stunts the thousands of bystanders have ever seen.”

A YouTube video of Lao’s 2012 NYC rally depicts hundreds of bikers – men and women – on motorcycles and three-wheeled ATVs speeding through Midtown in broad daylight, weaving through both lanes of traffic, popping wheelies and blowing through red lights as stunned pedestrians gaped from the sidewalks.

This year, cops — who confirmed that Hollywood Stuntz organized Sunday’s terror ride — were waiting for the mob and prevented them from taking over Times Square, busting several and confiscating a number of motorcycles.

Lao also posted footage of a Halloween ride from last year, where riders roared from Brooklyn to Manhattan, hogging roads and swerving dangerously close to cars.

Neighbors said they didn’t see the NYPD outside Lao’s house Sunday – but cops did make a stop at Charlie’s Chop Shop, an Astoria motorcycle shop where Lao and his pals, including rapper Meek Mills, are regulars.

On Thursday, Charlie’s had its gates pulled down and appeared closed, but bikers and mechanics were in and out of the store.

“There were dozens of cops here on Sunday,” said Jimmy Katsaros, 50, who works next door at GoPro, a plumbing firl. “They pulled in looking to check out the chop shop…There were guys on bikes right outside and they sped off.

“They didn’t want any part of those cops.”

“This is very bad for everyone involved,” said another GoPro worker. “It’s all wrong.”

Henry Jiang, 21, pulled up to Charlie’s on his Kawasaki Ninja 300. He said he isn’t affiliated with the Hollywood Stuntz crew, but defended them and blamed the road rage on Lien.

“The media has been spinning it in a way that makes all motorcyclists look bad,” he said.

“The entire situation could have been handled differently. I don’t roll with that crew [Hollywood Stuntz] but I feel that they shouldn’t be labeled as thugs because of a few bad apples. The biker that got the most hurt was innocent.

“ You shouldn’t judge a person because they are on a bike. There are lots if reckless drivers in cars too.”

“I feel that most of the fault was with the driver of the SUV. Maybe it could have all been talked out. He didn’t have to hit the gas and take out everyone. That was reckless.”

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Much of the attack was captured on video, and police said the person wearing the helmet-mounted camera that captured the video was seen getting on a motorcycle registered to Kevin Bresloff, 37. Police also reportedly received a tip at their Crime Stoppers hotline from someone who said that Kevin Bresloff was wearing a helmet cam and filmed the incident.

The video has been posted to various websites under variations of the usernames Michelin Man and Goper 2900, police said. Additionally, a Crime Stoppers tip was received that states Kevin Bresloff was wearing a helmet cam, filming the incident.

Police said Bresloff owns four motorcycles, an ATV and a 2000 Chevy Malibu. He has been arrested twice in Suffolk County, once on a DWI and once for assault, and twice in Florida. He once spent a night in jail in Palm Beach, Fla. on battery charges, police said.

Armed with a search warrant for video, detectives searched Bresloff’s home in Bellport and seized a GoPro helmet camera, two laptop computers, a digital camera and a cell phone, police said.

Detectives also received an anonymous tip that one of the bikers on the video was 35-year-old Robert Sims of Brooklyn. Sims owns a green Kawasaki motorcycle, and in 1998, he was arrested for possession of a loaded firearm and a Samurai sword in the Sugar Hill neighborhood of Manhattan. He served eight months in jail for that charge. Police said his only other arrest was for grand larceny in 2002 in Brooklyn, but he has an active warrant out for a Brooklyn criminal court summons from 2010.

Police believe he is the same person identified in a FOX 5 News interview Tuesday as “Guber Chopper Williams.”

In the FOX interview, he said he was the person seen in the video who approached the car and tried to open the driver’s side door after Edwin “Jay” Mieses of Lawrence, Mass. was run over by Alexian Lien, the SUV driver.

Detectives tracked Sims down and he told them the same thing said in the interview, and explained he wanted to take Lien’s keys so that he couldn’t drive off. He said he wasn’t able to do so, however, and Lien tore off. He insisted that when he got to West 178th Street, the site where Lien was allegedly viciously beaten, the assault had already happened.

jcosta79 10-04-2013 08:16 AM

Another interesting article:

After Road Rage Fracas, Motorcycle Clubs Combat Image Problem | Fox News Latino

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According to police and Massachusetts motor vehicle records, Mieses (The rider who was run over) hasn't had a valid license or permit to drive in the state since 1999. The Lawrence, Mass., native also never applied for a motorcycle license.

It isn't clear if he had been licensed in any other state. He was arrested most recently on May 24 in Andover, Mass., and has had dozens of other violations.
Hopefully this will quiet those saying that this thug was an "innocent" victim.

enkei2k 10-04-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2515888)
Another interesting article:

After Road Rage Fracas, Motorcycle Clubs Combat Image Problem | Fox News Latino



Hopefully this will quiet those saying that this thug was an "innocent" victim.

wait there's more details...
Edwin Mieses Jr., Biker Injured In SUV Melee, Was Unlicensed « CBS New York

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It isn’t clear if he had been licensed in any other state. He was arrested most recently on May 24 in Andover, Mass., and has had dozens of other violations.


Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times: In Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records and the Boston Globe.


Records show that the Registry notified the National Driver Register in June that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017.
This is why, IMO, it's important to have as clean a record as possible. Who would you rather believe or give benefit of the doubt to, someone who's clean with no prior records (SUV guy) or someone that has all these violations?

andre12031948 10-04-2013 09:40 AM

the RR's driver also doesn't have a license
 
Just saw the story on tv. Will that change things??? Driver an inexperienced maniac ???? We'll see...

I got a polite but stern notice that this site doesn't want anything close to a political discussion.

They have that right & I will respect that & thank them for the privilege of letting me post here. No more fun for me:(

JARblue 10-04-2013 09:57 AM

This is just outrageous!!

I blame the Whig party :thumbsdown:

jcosta79 10-04-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2516105)
This is just outrageous!!

I blame the Whig party :thumbsdown:

What's the Whig party?


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