Guess no one saw my post about being able to see the biker in the first incident trying to rip the guys for open just before the range rover takes off

With NO proof for that one, I'm gonna call bullshít.

And I doubt that the guy's or anyone else's helmetcam was turned on after the incident, especially since there are other videos from this same guy and group of bikers breaking other laws

Exactly, :iagree:

Biker Speaks Out on Biker - SUV Incident in NYC | RTM - RightThisMinute

SUV driver passed the group and cut off one of them, per one of the riders. He also claims injuries to more of the bikers, but that hasn't been supported by any other news. Then Dbag 1 brake checks the SUV and it goes downhill from there. Although, given the group's history, I'd take any of their testimony with a large grain of salt- especially the part where he claims they were obeying the law with dozens of videos online of them being squids.

It's coincidence then?.... Are you claiming it happened at the last incident? All I'm saying is that the tires had to be slashed a good distance before the last incident to be completely gone.

You even see the RR leaning in the front right corner in the video after the first encounter. Not only that, but no one who's stepped forward is denying that happened. Their argument is something happened before hand which somehow gave them free reign to stop the guy in the Range Rover.

Criminal:
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Civil:
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Even IF I assumed these bikers were telling the truth... Um... People get cut off ALLLLLLLL the time, what, have these guys never been cut off before? They haven't had to deal with a bit shitty drivers? Isn't it THEIR prerogative to get back on the bike day after day?

Taking that into account, brake checking the guy is the next logical plan of action??? What did you think would happen??? I guess that from 4 feet away, the RR driver, because he's Asian, has the reflexes of a god damn ninja.
Um, no... He's going to hit you, and HONESTLY, you should be happy you were hit OFF your bike, not UNDER his beast, because in my eyes, that biker's head should've been under a Michelin.

There's no doubt he'll be civilly sued by the paralyzed rider. I hope they cram that lawsuit back down Captain Cripplevan's throat, because if you're in a group of people doing stupid/illegal ****, you don't get to complain when you become collateral damage.

I completely agree with you. I just posted that because it's the first response from the flock of squids. And I think he's the one in the group with the cleanest record to trot out there for damage control. And I think he's completely full of **** based on the group's previous videos they put online and previous encounters.

Beautiful, I will be joining immediately

"So we're actually obeying the law." ROFLMAO. How can one NOT believe everything that guy says.

Especially when the entire group ride was unauthorized and illegal. He must have meant they were obeying the speed limit, not obeying the law. And considering how much of the encounter the bikers filmed when it showed their group in a bad light, nobody happened to film the moment that might show some kind of fault from the other driver? Not that I think cutting someone off deserves this, I just think it's funny that's the one part they didn't record.

Meaningless. I'm not a lawyer or detective nor claim to be one. It's just my own opinion and you're free to come up with your own. It will be up to a jury to decide. There are a ton of videos of the incident we haven't seen including what happens after the camera cuts out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but vigilante justice on the guy in the Range Rover is hardly lawful either.

Mhmmmm... Lol

I wish they went back and said... So... Those videos of you guys running a red light... Those were "legal", you guys were acting as the police, right?

Continentals.... lol

I think we've finally found something nice to say about run-flats :rofl2:

That flies in the face of freedom of association.

GBA does not exist in US law (except in limited cases such as in medical care)

Honestly, in a respectful way, I'd like to disagree, if YOU were in the RR, let's even say without your wife and kid. And you felt your life was being threatened because these guys swarmed you and were hitting your car and trying to open the door...
Wouldn't you do the same? Without general regard for maybe hitting an "innocent" biker?

Or would you just sit there and catch the initial beating?

LMAO!

And are we sure that RR's come with runflats? My uncle' sand cousin's both have a spare tire and it doesn't feel too harsh of a ride to be honest

Other than the fact he drove for quite a while on a slashed tire, no.

There's zero evidence of when or how the tires got slashed.


Taking down the RR guy would generally be disallowed, although the fact that he hit and run complicates things, as most states enforce as a felony.

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Coupled with the belief of observed attempted murder/manslaughter, you could probably make a good case for the chase/apprehension. If the driver was knifed as he claimed, things get tougher for the biker responsible, as well as if there's any evidence pointing to needless beating, etc. The fact that he's alive and was released from the hospital in ~2 hrs indicates that there was probably not much gratuitous beating.

Future videos could tell a lot.

It goes way beyond association. It was active participation in reckless behaviors that endangered others. Apparently you haven't seen the videos from earlier in the day when the riders were doing wheelies in heavy traffic and veering over into oncoming traffic. I'm assuming (not a legal opinion) they didn't stop when they got near the RR. When you do dangerous ****, you sometimes get hurt. Ie, if you fuque with the bull, you get the horn.

I think Range Rover and Continental should use this as a commercial.
Like a Chevy "Like a Rock" commercial, mixed with a bit of Top Gear

Exactly. And legally, he shouldn't have been there anyway since he didn't have a license.

Protected by a cage, I'd sit through it until there was something that clearly and directly demonstrated a reason to fear for your life/safety.

You're a gun owner so I know you're familiar with the need to stay above reproach and only iterate to deadly force when there are no other options. A car is no different than a gun or knife.

From the video, they did not try to open the door until the first stop after the altercation.

Driving without a license is insufficient to characterize someone as being at fault.

I've seen some. I haven't seen anything where the rider in question was engaged (though I'd appreciate a link). And, such behaviors are not relevant to the case in question. Whether or not someone drives like a jerk is largely irrelevant to the facts of the situation. There's also the question of the driver's a priori knowledge.


Unless they went out that day planning to treat annoying drivers like that, you would have a tough time sticking him with the behaviors of the group.

Being forced to stop on the road by a pack of bikers, one of which just cut you off and brake checked you to a stop and caused a collision while you have your wife and daughter in the car clearly and directly demonstrates a reason to fear for my life/safety in my book. We'll see when all of this hits the courts, though. I may be wrong and RR driver is at fault, at least in some part. I don't think so, but I'm open to the possibility that a judge may see things differently.

There's a precedent for them ******* with cars that bother them. I posted it earlier in the thread. That may not show their intent, but it establishes a pattern of behavior.

I'm a little confused- are you arguing that the bikers aren't at fault for the escalation of the situation that ended in injuries, or are you just playing devil's advocate?

Rear-ending somebody is a 100% at-fault situation in NY. Brake checking is technically irrelevant (although the brake checking driver can be cited separately). The law was established due to the thought that if you're following at a safe distance you should never rear end anyone, but it breaks down in extreme cases (ie, you get cut off).


I'm willing to bet the bikers receive a couple of traffic citations, the driver receives his insurance-bumping rear-end at-fault, and then we go to civil court. There's very little evidence as of now that provides opportunity for criminal convictions (on either side).

If evidence of knife use on either the tires or the person comes up, everything gets turned on it's head.

Both sides are clearly at fault for various stages. I'm pointing out that a number of conclusions are being jumped to that are not supported by the evidence available, and the behavior of folks in a group cannot be used to characterize the whole.

I haven't seen a good shot of the RR right after he bumped the rear of the bike that squatted in front of him. If we're going to guess what happened, how about the driver saw someone pull a knife or gun? My point being, there are a lot of gaps and we don't know the whole story yet. But, from what I've seen/heard, the RR driver was justified in what he did. I have an open mind and am willing to look at any evidence, even if it doesn't support my current theory.

I'd argue this was one of those cases, but a court will decide.

There's a lot of felonies getting slapped on the arrested bikers. Are you suggesting they'll all be dropped?

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Yeah, and I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you believe that one!

If your friends decide to rob a bank while you happen to be in the car with them, well guess what? Your *** is going to jail.

Those guys should be thankful this didn't happen in TX. There would be a lot of dead bikers on the highway and their families would have gotten invoices to pay for the cleanup.

As stated beforeYou have to look really closely and have the video in hd and full screened to see one of the bikers trying to rip the guys door open at the beginning of the video

Some interesting photos.

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If he was even claiming that happened, my stance would change. The only person I've seen claiming that the tires were slashed in the initial encounter happens to be completely uninvolved.

‘Road rage’ biker may be paralyzed | New York Post

For the most part, this backs up the narrative most of us seem to have arrived at. Including slashed tires at one point in the chase.

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can you post a screenshot with an MSpaint circle on what you are talking about? Videos are tough to see detail on.