This might be the dumbest comment I've seen on this forum. Likewise, people who want to "stunt" can get over *them*selves. They're not special enough to block traffic on a public road, breaking laws, and then getting pissed when someone gets into an accident when regular traffic rolls up.

Only a pussy would smash a car window next to a two year old child. Only pussy would think popping a wheelie and driving on the sidewalk takes actual skill.

.....and bravery? Please. If that guy (now road kill) on the bike was by him self, no way in hell would he have tried to stop the Range Rover on the West Side Highway. You're confusing bravery with stupidity. A professional race car driver or motocross rider doesn't drive 200mph or do backflips on public roads. It's not about skill or being scared.... it's called common sense and respecting other on the road.

Owning a sportbike or quad doesn't make someone a professional any more than me owning a Z and racecar.

i wish something like this happened to me so i'd have a reason to go on a shooting rampage

e: after i run over as many of them as i can before my vehicle is incapacitated :D

ha ha, synolimit you should have known youd get pounced on by everybody here. i can tell by the vibe of this forum its not even worth chiming in on 90% of the stuff.

The guys on bikes were complete idiots, but the situation was unnecessarily escalated by the RR driver (at least by all appearances from the video).

Running someone over is deadly force, and you can't escalate to deadly force "because the guys look like they're in a gang." Especially when the guy he ran over had been uninvolved the situation (again, by all appearances). You can't justify running someone over because they aren't a good person.

The vibe of the forum that doesn't support people riding like complete assbags on public roads and causing confrontations that leave people paralyzed? I'm ok with that vibe.

ive seen so many condescending, self righteous, down right ignorant and rude posts on this forum. most the times aimed at people that ask simple questions. heaven forbid a newbie comes on here and insults half the gods of nissan here with their lack of awe inspiring knowledge. then just like these bikers a pack of arrogant Z owners jumps all over them. its disappointing. there are some good people on here, but definitely arent as common as the more negative members.

and yes i do realize now ill be a target for some good ol online flaming. but i could care a less. im just stating my opinion based on numerous examples ive seen. its a shame

Let me guess- sportbike rider?

The connection there...is ridiculous.

I'm still relatively new and in no way part of any groups on here, but I've really not seen anything that even remotely seems rude or insulting, and certainly nothing in comparison to the trolls and children and idiots from various other car forums. This place has been an oasis, to be honest.

Anyway, this is escalating when it really shouldn't be.

ibtl

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bikes are dangerous. but they're good job security in my line of work. lol

Orthopedic doc? :rofl2:

organ harvester?

mon-fri, 9-5 director of rehabilitation services for a multi-disciplinary therapy company.
weekends = paramedic

Yep, these guys keep you in business.

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What you didn't see is them hitting the Range Rover and slashing his front tire. You see 50 guys on bikes riding in a group stopping you on the highway, your first thought isn't going to be hmmmm...."I wonder what this nice gentleman on the motorcycle is going to say"

You can certainly justify running over someone who forcefully stops you in the middle of a highway and starts attacking you. The law works both ways. Kind of funny how a lot of them are crying foul and want the guy in the Range Rover arrested yet showed complete disregard for any laws in dozens of videos posted online.

yes sir.

on topic... i can see both sides of this situation. i can blame and defend both sides as well. but at the end of the days my views are this.

absolutely nobody handled this situation properly. theres no excuse for either parties to act the way they did. this is not how civilized humans should treat each other

His reaction was completely justified by the situation. I don't feel too bad for Stunter McCrippleson since being a part of a mob tends to end badly for people, even if they aren't the worst one in the mob.

I've not seen anything backing up those claims of the hitting/tire slashing in the first incident. I'm not sure how you can tell your tires are being slashed from inside a car, either.

If that was happening, you can certainly change the equation, though I'm not a lawyer and unclear on where the transition is. Legally, running someone over is more or less equivalent to shooting them. Could he have shot the biker he ran over?


Breaking one law doesn't necessarily give someone else carte blanche to infringe on your rights. The fact that I'm driving like a jerk doesn't mean that you can hit and run, and then run over my friend. Driving over someone like that requires that you have a reasonable fear for your life/safety.

Every state has their own laws on deadly force, but I'm pretty sure NYs are not as favorable (as, say, Florida).

That's not at all what it's about....but come on. I have a ton of friends that ride motorcycles. I'd tell them the same thing if they did anything this stupid. It's not even an attack on people who ride. It's about these assclowns that make ALL riders look bad. Their complete disregard for anyone else on the road makes all bikers that much more vulnerable.

Also, you probably shouldn't call everyone a pussy because they don't "stunt" or claim we're condescending in condescending tone.

If there were any question about the legality of the driver using deadly force, I'm sure that the driver would have been arrested and charged along with the bikers. He has not been. Only two of the bikers have been arrested so far.

Arrest decisions are made based on public opinion and officer discretion, not necessarily the letter of the law.

i think you may have meant to direct that last part towards someone else. lol

and my comments were general, not just on this specific forum topic.

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It was definitely at the first incident. The tire is gone at the last incident. Look at the pic in the article. It doesn't just disappear when you slash it.

You see a guy with a knife going to the front of your car....well.

True, but in most cases they usually arrest and charge everybody, and drop charges as evidence comes to light. Who knows. The NYPD is a strange organization.

In other news, the squid who became a speed bump is exactly the kind of rider you think he is- Lawrence man seriously injured in NYC incident involving SUV and motorcyclists - Metro - The Boston Globe

I'd assume the TPMS sensor told him as well. Thank God for run flats.

There's nothing indicating when the tire was slashed (or that is was slashed at all) in the video/photo evidence. It was claimed in a press release but there's little to back it up (that has been released).

Neither one of us has all the facts here and I expect they will trickle out over time. Best not to rush to judgment.

They have checks and balances that are designed to limit rushing to judgment. Charging and releasing offers little benefit and is much more expensive than only charging those they believe can/should be convicted.

its also not been officially publicized, that the situation that started this. is that the range driver switched lanes into a biker and hit him, then kept driving. that happened just before the camera turned on

geeze...look at the picture.

source?

And the driver won't be charged, so the DA seems to believe he was justified in the force he used.

what do you purport that the picture shows?

undisclosed at this point. reliability is questionable.

im still waiting on actually facts/proof.

Or that public opinion wouldn't support charging him. It's like the reverse of the GZ case (charging because popular opinion demanded it.

Our legal system is surprisingly political. If public opinion went a different way, you'd see a different result.

If it wasn't slashed or tampered with then the tire manufacturer is about to have a massive recall.

Assumptions like that are unlikely to stand up in court. It's entirely possible the tire went flat running over the massive NY potholes at speed. It's also possible that he flattened his own tire running over a motorcycle.


This uncertainty is likely why they are unlikely to press charges (against the driver or the bikers). What happened in the initial stop is critical to determining where charges can stick.

If I'm the driver, I defend my case by saying tires were slashed in the initial altercation and feared for my life/that of my family. I walk.

If I'm the maybe-tire-slashing-biker, I point out that you cannot see any indication that I slashed the tires. There's video of the altercation but no indication of tire slashing. There's nothing to say you didn't flatten them while shattering my buddies femur. I also walk.

Wow, I'm amazed they aren't prosecuting the 2 guys... That's kinda BS...

And just to throw my 2 cents into the fountain. If there is a biker gang, or any gang or just a bunch of DBag drivers doing what these guys were doing to me and my wife and child. I'd run over them, I'd shoot them, I'd do ANYTHING in my power to keep them safe. And YES I do think he gets Carte Blanc. You want him to go, oh, so you're beating on my car and windows while your 30 buddies are surrounding my car. Mmmhmmmm, let me selectively run people over to get the fùck out... No... Just get the fùck out...
"Innocent" guy was run over, sorry, your group picked on innocent guy to fùck with, I guess it sucks it was you, but it sucks you guys chose him in the first place.
And if me and my moron friends were the bikers trying to harass a guy in a car, let alone a RANGE ROVER, I wouldn't be standing anywhere near the front of it.


And this is a bit prickish to post because I DO support the armed forces. But if the driver should be charged for injuring/killing/paralyzing an "innocent" guy, we should be prosecuting every troop or bomber who killed an innocent civilian.
I disagree, it's war, shít happens, and the driver of the car was in his own war.
He gets a cool pass by me.



Also, I have family members who are bikers. Just saying

That could change if new evidence pops up but that seems unlikely to me. But still possible. I would not be at all surprised if Mr RR ends up in court on a civil complaint by the guy that got run over. With today's legal system, the rider just may win. :( (Remember OJ? Not guilty of criminal charges but they hammered him in civil court.)

Last I heard, they arrested one guy, another turned himself in and was arrested, and they are looking for a third guy. All involved in the beating at the end of the chase. But it's been about 10 hours since I looked.

From what I've seen (more than likely an incomplete picture), Mr RR did what he had to do to protect himself and his family. If I see anything that contradicts that, I'll change my mind. Until then, kudos to Mr RR for effectively protecting his family.

As for the rider that got run over: too bad, so sad. From what I can tell, all the riders were driving in a very dangerous manner (see some of the vids from earlier in the ride) and were acting as a group. Looks to me like Mr RR had every reason to believe that all the riders were going to attack. I can only hope that I would be able to respond as quickly and decisively Mr RR did and save myself and my family.