2021 400Z Thoughts?
 

How does everyone feel about the 11 year over due 2021 400Z?

You beat me to it Cooltoy!

Hey your the super- Cooltoy!:tiphat:

Nobody can beat that!

I like it! I'd trade for it when the time comes.

;)

I'm suprised how good it turned. I'm a supra fan boy. But who isnt. But this Z looks by far better than the bmw supra.
So the looks imo looks great. But the grill I'm not 100% set. But who knows, it might get changed.
But we shall c how it performs when actual numbers comes out and when tuners get a hold of it.

So, as for the 6MT, is it safe to say, they are using the same 6MT as the current 370z? With I'm sure with changes to handle the extra torque

I'll be in my bunk!

I wonder how easy the engine swap would be.

hello there! :tiphat: .. a true OG!!! Good to see you're still lurking around here. I still remember the day you registered here like it was yesterday! Only a handful of us used to post in the forum early 2009! Are you thinking about the new 400Z?

AK

AK!!! Original Lurker salute you, as well!
Lurking around from time to time.


As for The New Z? I still find it need more character.
Side view looks good.

It lacks of that aggressive look and stance. Rear, TBH not fan of those tail lights. Interior, finally Nissan is catching up with 2014/15 technology... that's about it.

Let's wait for the final product. Hopefully Nissan will be reading critics all over the place.

Supra, even thou they are missing the MT, their game plan is slowly working. They have a very quick car, and now they are bringing a "cheaper" but slower, engine, and customer will buy it because the looks are somehow better (definitely better than current outdated Z) and aggressive... Yes, BMW this, BMW that... Nissan has a strong competitor, not counting the used market, and they need to bounce back strong.

Crossing fingers because I'm interested on that twin turbo engine... and Nismo version...

You going to pick up a blue 400z AK? like the MB 370z you had?

DO IT! Your build thread inspired me to get mine.

Love the clean exterior. No unnecessary scoops or vents or FAKE vents. No over-styling that's so prevalent in today's designs.

I'm in the minority in that I like the front. I think if the grille was slightly shorter vertically it would look better, but I get they probably want the cooling. I don't like the innards of the grille itself. I think simplifying that and unifying the top and bottom piece would make the front look better.

Side profile is amazing. The upward angle line on the door is interesting. Very muscular looking car.

The rear is my least favorite. For some reason the retro 300zx look doesn't do it for me. I don't hate it though, it's growing on me. I feel if they stuck with the 240z rear end but modernized it would have suited this car more. If that black bar was slightly taller I think it would make a big difference.

Love the carbon work. Hopefully that's from that new process Nissan has had a breakthrough with and they can actually get that stuff on the car to lighten it up and make it feel a bit more exotic.

Headlights are sweet.

Love the rims (not in that bronze though).

Would be cool to see a production car with that Nissan Z lettering on the tires though of course that won't be there.

Love the brakes. Hopefully that wasn't a proto only thing and that's an option on the car.

Black roof looks great with this design. Be curious to see how the car looks without it, and if it's an option.

Aftermarket will be ALL OVER this car and there will be some HIDEOUS and beautiful outcomes.

Overall car is amazing. Clean and simple in an age of loudness.

^Well said. I agree with all of this. My only concern that’s left will be what the curb weight will be. If this thing is a good weight they’re going to find themselves a customer in me. 3200 or less and I’ll be pleased- may not be realistic though.

I hope they offer a ‘stripper’ version of some sort with all of the performance goodies and curb the luxury features that add weight.

I overall like the styling; thankful that Nissan is not overdoing it, yet paying some homage to the cars some of us lusted over when were were kids. Again, my only "issue" is the grill which I'm slowly beginning to tolerate as I'm beginning to see more and more of the 240/280Z heritage as I review the designs side-by-side. I totally see the "challenges" in trying to combine the heritage look with modern styling: Nissan couldn't put the exterior chrome bumper across it to break down the "wide open" mouth because, well it's the 21st century. Likewise, adding an angle or two the rectangle might modernize it, but you're drifting further and further from the "heritage" element. Maybe Nissan presented it as is, and wanted to see which way the enthusiasts' reactions went. But honestly, if they released production "as-is", I can live with the grille.

Not too concerned with weight, actually hoping they add some cabin quieting goodies as this may be my new commuting DD. Love the interior.

But again - VR30DDTT mated to a manual (something that they should have done with the Q60S - and the reason why I never shopped that car). What a wonderful mill.

Like everything except the square cutout grill, but I suspect that will change for production or that at least there will be different bumper options, so not that concerned.

No way to know until I can see it in person and get one on the road. After all this time, it should be perfection............ I said......... should be.

From their unveiling vid, I caught a mention that the project started in 2017.
3 years sound incredibly short for preparing a new car to me, because I usually hear companies talking that they were designing 5-10 years ahead.

But it's also on an existing platform, using an engine they've used in the Q50/60 for a few years, and probably has a ton of parts carrying over.

It's not a new car. It's an existing platform with existing drivetrain. Basically it's a new body kit and some interior technology upgrades. Could have taken all of 6 months with the right team. Three years is laughable and just goes to show the shitstorm that Nissan has become.

Design part probably went through many revisions, and I'm pretty sure they had to strengthen the current chassis. Test and retest. It will take longer than 6 months.
But regardless nissan ****** up with their car line up. And using the **** show of cvt transmission

I'll be in my bunk!

That's the only way it would be financial viable. Especially in Nissan's current financial state.
If Toyota is doing the same, that they had to partner up with bmw and Toyota said it would cost to much for them to build a new sports car, than nissan doesnt have a chance to build a new sports car.
Unless they partnered with another company like Mercedes or something.


I'll be in my bunk!

What's wrong with an older platform? You hear a lot of people pining for more mechanical feel, more rawness, less technology, truer sports car, etc. On top of that they also want the price to remain low and they want reliability.

Well, using an older platform does all of that. This should be a nice mix of mostly old with some new. Not many other sports cars you can buy brand new that will have this mix of characteristics.

Thoughts? What is a "400Z"?

What basis was used to determine the next Z will be called 400?

Did Nissan say that?

Is it an assumption?

What does "400" mean?

240, 260, 280, 300, 350, 370 all referred to engine displacement.

It'd be super cool if Nissan uses a VR40 engine, but I thought they are going to use the VR30?

What would be the precedent for Nissan suddenly not using engine displacement to name the new Z, and why is it called "400" and not "371" or "380" if Nissan just decided to use arbitrary numbers all of the sudden.

Pretty sure Nissan won't name the xxxZ based on xxxHP, I'm quite certain Nissan will use multiple states of tune on the VR engine to differentiate Z models....

HP
 

HP has been the selling trend for several years,

400Z makes sense if they pop in the already available 400HP motor.

Just call it a Z. Everyone knows what that is. It doesn't need a numbered format.

:iagree:

Call it the BMZ for "Big Mouth Z"
:-O

or.....
RBMZ for "Rectangular Big Mouth Z"
;-)

Maybe they’ll go back to 300zx or 300z for some continuity. Honestly at the end of the day though it’s just a name.

If Nissan holds to tradition, which is the basis for this car, my money is that Nissan will either call it "300Z" or "Z".

I highly doubt they'll call it 400 as an arbitrary sequencing of numbers, and they definitely won't call it 400 for HP. Ever since the ZX's in the late 70's, the HP of these cars has been variable. Some are turbo, some are NA, some are HR, some are Nismo, etc. Naming the next Z "400" because of HP makes no sense.

I'm also going to bet that within the first 2 years the new Z will have 3 HP levels, base, upgrade and Nismo. What the exact HP numbers will be, I dunno, and how Nissan assigns the HP to each trim we'll have to see. Just shooting from the hip: 300HPish for base and near base models, 400HPish for upgraded models near the top, and 450HPish for NISMO. ish.

Calling it just Z makes the most sense. As the 400 hp version will be the middle ground between the 300ish hp and the 400+ nismo version. Have the hp or engine size in the name no longer makes sense.

6 months? Get real. They have to work with many different suppliers (seats, windows, lights, wheels, you name it) and make sure everything will fit together right when it comes time for production. They were testing mules in Germany and Arizona. The budget for this refresh was around $240 million. New body, upgraded interior, added safety equipment, putting a manual trans with the VR30DTT (I understand the intercooler setup will be different than the Q50/Q60), upgrading the chassis. That takes longer than 6 months.

I've had four different generations, starting with a early 240z.
I was really looking forward to the unveiling, considered cancelling a C8 order for it.
After 3 years of development, That's It??
I bought another 370 instead.
Really uninspiring.

Well what did u expect from a company that is having financial issues and QC issues.
Probably better off not making the the Z and the gtr anymore.

I'll be in my bunk!

My last 370 was traded in on a GTR.
Never could get comfortable in the narrow seats, no headroom either.

Nice trade up though. Do u still have the gtr?

I'll be in my bunk!

Nissan would have been totally justified to throw in the towel.
Nissan does a lot wrong.
I am very grateful Nissan is giving us a 21st century 300Z Twin Turbo.

Another OG here. I'm on my 6th Z car including:
- 1972 240Z coming out of college,
- 1990 300Z 2+2,
- 1995 300Z 2+2,
- 1995 300Z-TT (my favorite),
- 2010 370 40th AE, and now
- 2016 Nismo 370Z.

All have been my daily drivers and have clocked 40+ years and over half million miles. I always thought that I would have a 400Z at some point (though much longer ago); but gave up on the idea when I saw that 2019 Heritage stickered insult. I concluded then that Nissan no longer had money nor interest to keep it going and was giving up.

So, my impressions of Z35 are mostly favorable, though front grill needs work as does addition of spoiler or lip to rear hatch. I'm actually very happy with design cues from 240Z & 300Z (particularly side view), V-6 turbo, MT (an absolute must), 6-piston calipers, and that they are apparently retaining the 370Z chassis. Having logged 40+ years of seat time, the thing I've always appreciate most about Zs is the driver engagement it provides on the street and track; so I'm confident that the Z35 will retain that with power and performance boost over 370.

I'm mostly interested in what the new Nismo will bring and hoping they will retain the Recaro seats, add a real 25 or 34 row oil cooler, and finally fix the saddle tank fuel starvation problem. And I would be delighted if updated electronics finally gives multiple traction control / stability options and GTR type data panel.

The words of the great Texas musician Ray Wylie Hubbard "the days I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations - I have really good days" seem appropriate here; so I'm mostly grateful that the line is not ending.

Sadly, the new Z does not interest me.

My next car will be a used Corvette C8. It's light years ahead of anything else out there for the price. It's only downside is that it will become wildly popular and associated with sh#$heads and douchebags; but that's the downside of any American Muscle car.

The new C8 is an amazing car. It's amazing that the "base" engine version that is currently available is able to put down such good numbers.

I have also considered the C7, I prefer it due to being a hatchback. I personally prefer a hatchback car, performance stats not as important. That's kinda why I like the new upcoming Z, still a hatchback.

A couple of "wishes" that Nissan probably isn't gonna do:

1. T-tops. It's not really a full "heritage" car unless they throw in some T-tops!

2. Name the car "Datsun Z"

3. Louvers, I'm sure there's plenty to choose from in the aftermarket. Be cool to have it as OEM though.

4. Rear window wiper. So, I have had both Z31's and a Z32 many years ago (plus a pair of V6 S12 cars) and all had rear window wiper. Extremely useful, and I believe available in other countries.

5. Fog/driving lights. Not so much for actual light output as most OEM fogs seem weak, but more for aesthetics, the ProtoZ would look a *little* bit better with something to break up the current proto nose.

No, GTR wasn't that fun to drive. I got a 2ss Camaro next. Then a C8.

hahaha i for one always do a rear window wiper delete on my cars, but then again its my weekend cars and find it cleaner without it.