I built a 280z with my dad, 350z turbo with my brother and i have owned close to 15 Z's... Its a family thing... I love em. Im legit sad about whats happening or going to happen to the Z

If it's that crossover piece of ****, I'm right there with you. But if it won't out-drag-race a Mustang, I really could not give a crap.

I agree too. I dont need* it to out drag the mustang. A simple refresh and a GOOD Power bump would suffice. I can only dream of a turbo 6. 400hp would be just enough behind a GTR and well enough to stay afloat in the competition

As long as it keeps the tight, quick feel of the steering, I'm all over that. Cars like the Mustang with 16:1 steering racks just don't have the crisp turn-in like you get from a BRZ, RX-8, Miata, S2000... But those cars don't have the brute force of something like the Z, and especially not the Mustang and Camaro.

The Mustang will go round a racetrack really fast, sure. But driving one, they are heavy, and you can feel it. The steering wheel feels like it belongs on a pirate ship, and as if it's barely even connected to the front wheels on the S197. There is ample dive and squat in the suspension, little feedback from the steering, etc. - though the S550 is greatly improved over the S197 in all of those respects, it's still not as "good" as the Z in those ways.

That is what people are getting at, or at least, that's what I'm getting at... Balance between the actual performance, and the enjoyment of driving it.

If I'm getting paid to win money on a racetrack, I suppose I'm going to drive the fastest damn thing I can afford to drive and I don't care what it feels like, it could be a nightmarish handful that keeps me at my wits' end the entire time, if it's faster, it's faster. But when I drive on the street I'm driving for my own enjoyment and I do not care about 0-60 times or lap times so much as if the car has enough power to "feel fun" to me - and also part of that "feeling fun" is the steering response, flat cornering, predictable braking, etc. That stuff is all way more important to me than the actual lap times turned in on a racetrack by a professional driver who isn't even me, and may not be enjoying it at all.

Now, on the other hand... There's the Miata/BRZ... It's just too slow to be fun IMO. The Z is not too slow to be fun. As I said before, low to mid 13's at over 100 mph in the quarter mile and a top speed (electronically limited) of 155 is slow? Come on, dude.

It could be faster, but it's fast enough to be fun.

BTW I have driven S197 GT, S197 GT + Ford Racing handling package, S550 with PP, S2000, BRZ, NISMO Z among others, I am not making crap up or "magazine racing" - I loved things about all of those cars but if I had to pick one car that I would drive "just to drive" - it's the NISMO.

And I will be SO pissed if it's replaced by a crappy little turbo 4 crossover. :inoutroflpuke:

How about the new camero

2 by 2...hands of blue

Lol. Fanboy?! So I'm a fanboy because I accept the fact that Nissan probably won't make anything more powerful and faster than what we already have? In my honest opinion you're wanting too much from Nissan.

If you're salty at Nissan for not making a cheap fast lightweight car take your business elsewhere they won't care and that means one less Z on the road which makes mine even more rare.:ughdance:

I have never driven a Camaro, for various reasons... So I don't have much to say about them other than I don't think I'd buy one, for the same "various reasons." :tiphat:

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This made me laugh so hard :bowrofl:

pretty frickin sweet list :tup:

Look I'm not trying to make this personal, but when you say things like "take your business elsewhere they won't care" it's hard not to say fanboy. They will care, and apparently already do care that people who love Z's have or are thinking about taking their business elsewhere.

Nissan seems to think those people don't want sports cars anymore. IMO they're wrong. Nissan just isn't building the sports car they want right now. They're too busy hiring terrible designers, building weird LMP cars, and focusing on the GTR to realize an entire market of Z people having been clamoring for a more competitive Z for years, and are anxiously awaiting details on the next gen Z only to find out Nissan still doesn't know WTF they're doing with it pushing ideas of miatas and crossovers on us.

Come on guys... you all know that we really want the next Z to be made completley of carbon fiber, weigh 2800 lbs, have a twin turbo V12 making over 1000 hp and cost only 25k :bowrofl:

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No I don't. I want it to cost $60K so that people start mentioning the Z and the GTR in the same sentence so that my Z's value will go up :icon17:. Long shot though.

@Davey I agree with everything you said, yes that's what I meant too. That's why I keep saying the Mustang and the Z are not in competition at all. They deliver a completely different driving feel and if you are looking for one, you will hate the other. The car I was cross-shopping my Z with was a pre-owned M3. The tight steering, handling and the high-revving engine felt quite similar. The M was about twice the price though (and I wouldn't buy one without an extended warranty) so the Z won.

If Subie offered a BRZ STI (keeps getting 'rumored' but I doubt its ever showing up) or Mazda offered a Mazdaspeed Miata with a turbo (which used to exist) then those are cars I would cross-shop with a Z. For now, the closest thing (in feel) is a BMW M235i and that starts at $55K.